Inside Intel on MoCo 21-22

[swinokur]

Not sure if printing is RS or PC for a search. I doubt it.

Well since Oct 1 temporary or accidental exposure or printing will not be illegal I don’t see how doing that would be PC or RS but I’m not a cop or a lawyer

 

[SigNerd]

Just because printing or incidental exposure aren't themselves illegal doesn't mean it's not sufficient for reasonable suspicion for a stop and frisk if you're in a "sensitive place." They need to articulate reasonable suspicion that a crime has been or is about to be committed by you. From their "X years of experience and training," seeing the printing of a concealed gun in a sensitive location is easily articulable reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime save for you being able to show that you belong to one of the limited exceptions.

 

[dblas]

Not sure if printing is RS or PC for a search. I doubt it.

Per SB1 Printing does not = OC, but I wonder how that would apply in "sensative areas"?

 

[BurkeM]

Just because printing or incidental exposure aren't themselves illegal doesn't mean it's not sufficient for reasonable suspicion for a stop and frisk if you're in a "sensitive place." They need to articulate reasonable suspicion that a crime has been or is about to be committed by you. From their "X years of experience and training," seeing the printing of a concealed gun in a sensitive location is easily articulable reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime save for you being able to show that you belong to one of the limited exceptions.

You’re assuming that any law enforcement agency is actually going to spend more than 90 seconds informing hundreds of thousands of officers and deputies of the new statutes.

They don’t bother doing any of that. The average officer only gets 8-24 hours of “training” per year, and most of that is requalifying.

 

[Bob A]

It seems to me that concealment with accidental printing offers the police the opportunity to exercise discretion before implementing questioning regarding probable cause, and general appearance of the subject should, at least in theory, allow the officer to decide if his suspicions are sufficiently reasonable to engage with the subject.

Comes down to the attitude of the individual officer at that point, I suppose.

 

[LAC_MD]

Hmmm just curious if they decide to enforce it. What database would they use? Is it overlayed on with gps?

 

[Blaster229]

It seems to me that concealment with accidental printing offers the police the opportunity to exercise discretion before implementing questioning regarding probable cause, and general appearance of the subject should, at least in theory, allow the officer to decide if his suspicions are sufficiently reasonable to engage with the subject.

Comes down to the attitude of the individual officer at that point, I suppose.

What?? Lol

 

[Bob A]

What?? Lol

Yeah, you know, like deciding if you really want to hassle this guy, or maybe he's a threat.

Just because you're wearing a body cam doesn't mean that you have to take action. Of course, once you do, you're stuck with the consequences, as is the subject.

 

[Blaster229]

Yeah, you know, like deciding if you really want to hassle this guy, or maybe he's a threat.

Just because you're wearing a body cam doesn't mean that you have to take action. Of course, once you do, you're stuck with the consequences, as is the subject.

What??

 

[Bob A]

What??

Huh?

 

[44 Bulldog]

Per SB1 Printing does not = OC, but I wonder how that would apply in "sensative areas"?

I was in an area until everyone showed up then it became a sensitive area. Lol. That has got to be the biggest, childish thing I've ever heard written into a law. "Sensitive Area"

 

[Bob A]

I was in an area until everyone showed up then it became a sensitive area. Lol. That has got to be the biggest, childish thing I've ever heard written into a law. "Sensitive Area"

Let's legislate Feelings!

Whose are Good? Whose are Bad? Who gets to decide?

Let's just swap Common Sensitivity for Common Sense, and call it Maryland.

 

[teratos]

If I’m seen printing, I’m not showing shit to any cop unless they can articulate a crime I committed. I will show my permit under threat of arrest. I will have any interaction on video. The act of exercising a fundamental right does not warrant any further investigation.

 

[Threeband]

If I’m seen printing, I’m not showing shit to any cop unless they can articulate a crime I committed. I will show my permit under threat of arrest. I will have any interaction on video. The act of exercising a fundamental right does not warrant any further investigation.

Hubba hubba.

Likewise if challenged by store security. Say nothing, show nothing, leave the premises if necessary.

 

[JohnnyE]

If I’m seen printing, I’m not showing shit to any cop unless they can articulate a crime I committed. I will show my permit under threat of arrest. I will have any interaction on video. The act of exercising a fundamental right does not warrant any further investigation.

In a society where bearing a firearm is legal, evidence that a firearm is being carried is not, on its face, illegal. More is needed to affect a stop.

 

[teratos]

In a society where bearing a firearm is legal, evidence that a firearm is being carried is not, on its face, illegal. More is needed to affect a stop.

If they can’t ask for ID for exercising the 1A, 4A or 5A, they can’t for the 2A.

 

[Bob A]

In a society where bearing a firearm is legal, evidence that a firearm is being carried is not, on its face, illegal. More is needed to affect a stop.

The operative question is, is that society inclusive of Montgomery County, or of the state of Maryland, for that matter?

 

[teratos]

The operative question is, is that society inclusive of Montgomery County, or of the state of Maryland, for that matter?

Fundamental Constitutional Right.

Fvck them.

 

[Bob A]

Fundamental Constitutional Right.

Fvck them.

I approve of all the points you've made above.

That said, it's a tough defense when the entire judicio-political system is intent on denying that fundamental right.

All I've got going for me is the Eruby Alphabet:
CMC
EBMD
WWNC

 

[teratos]

I approve of all the points you've made above.

That said, it's a tough defense when the entire judicio-political system is intent on denying that fundamental right.

All I've got going for me is the Eruby Alphabet:
CMC
EBMD
WWNC

Like I said, I’ll ID under duress and then file a civil rights lawsuit….