Maybe I will just stock up on surplus 7.62x54R for my 3 mosins and shoot the shit out of them. I love the sights and how they shoot, but the kick does really come through to your shoulder, especially on the M44 carbine. I also sadly discovered that my dpms AR in .308 much prefers 7.62x51 military stuff to commercial .308. I thought that .308 and 7.62x51 nato were interchangable, but that gun seems to much prefer the nato stuff. So now I will need to stock up on military packs of that ammo too.