Inconsistent Restrictions on Permits

[Jimbuck]

My family have permit for various reasons. One that is common to us all is working with our dogs. When we renewed our permits, son was initially denied, mine had same restrictions as last time, and my wife's, they left it off completely. Does anyone read the application packages? Seems like it is an individual interpertation in the MSP.

 

[stringer bell]

what does working with dogs mean?

 

[CharlieFoxtrot]

I have had a permit since 1995. It has never had the same set of restrictions on it. Every time it gets renewed it is different. This was a point I made before the HPRB when I appealed my restrictions last year.

 

[Klunatic]

Yep pretty much is up to the guy approving the license to set the restrictions. Not only are they arbitrary they are nebulous as well. Take mine "Valid only while conducting business as owner of ** business"

What exactly does that mean? I conduct a great deal of business on my cell phone which I answer pretty much all day long and on weekends. All of my office calls are forwarded to my cell phone when I am out of the office. So theoretically I am always on call for the business and ergo conducting business wherever I go.

 

[iCoder80]

Yep pretty much is up to the guy approving the license to set the restrictions. Not only are they arbitrary they are nebulous as well. Take mine "Valid only while conducting business as owner of ** business"

What exactly does that mean? I conduct a great deal of business on my cell phone which I answer pretty much all day long and on weekends. All of my office calls are forwarded to my cell phone when I am out of the office. So theoretically I am always on call for the business and ergo conducting business wherever I go.

You won't know until the first time you have to use it.

 

[JamesCanby]

Yep pretty much is up to the guy approving the license to set the restrictions. Not only are they arbitrary they are nebulous as well. Take mine "Valid only while conducting business as owner of ** business"

What exactly does that mean? I conduct a great deal of business on my cell phone which I answer pretty much all day long and on weekends. All of my office calls are forwarded to my cell phone when I am out of the office. So theoretically I am always on call for the business and ergo conducting business wherever I go.

Yes, this ^^^. That's why I said that that restriction language is the least restrictive I have seen. Most of us who own small entrepreneurial businesses are *always* conducting business -- it's how our businesses survive and grow. I never miss an opportunity to promote my company when interacting with people, wherever I am.

 

[Klunatic]

You won't know until the first time you have to use it.

That's what scares me. I have thread I started to see what other ridiculous restrictions the MSP has come up with. Hit it up if you have a permit.

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=190363

 

[robmints]

what does working with dogs mean?

Read the statute.

 

[Jimbuck]

But the statue onworking with dogs is pretty vague and confusing.

 

[Rich1911]

But the statue onworking with dogs is pretty vague and confusing.

Sounds exactly like they want it be...

 

[Hawkeye]

The good news is that according to the MSP, all any law enforcement officer has to do is to call Sgt. Knaub (any time, day or night!) and he'll clear things right up.

Right.

 

[aray]

This is exactly why HB1263 is so dangerous. If you guess wrong and carry outside your restrictions, this bill if passed would send you to jail with mandatory minimum sentences - just as if you were a pimp who shot someone using a stolen gun. See here for more details, then turn out to Annapolis on March 9th and March 15th to do something about it!

 

[robmints]

The good news is that according to the MSP, all any law enforcement officer has to do is to call Sgt. Knaub (any time, day or night!) and he'll clear things right up.

Right.

Or you can carry your keys from work, then you are working. But you might need a note.

 

[Magnumst]

Or you can carry your keys from work, then you are working. But you might need a note.

A laminated note according to Mrs. White

 

[USAFRavenR6]

A laminated note according to Mrs. White

While I know she suggested that, that is not going to fly anywhere. Letters can be typed up by anyone and the only thing thats going to determine if the restrictions are being followed is the responding officer when he looks at the back of the CCW permit. No one is going to entertain someone carrying around a letter, which is why restrictions are bogus to begin with.

 

[robmints]

While I know she suggested that, that is not going to fly anywhere. Letters can be typed up by anyone and the only thing thats going to determine if the restrictions are being followed is the responding officer when he looks at the back of the CCW permit. No one is going to entertain someone carrying around a letter, which is why restrictions are bogus to begin with.

You know that's not true. If a restricted person was carrying and had their note, you know a Baltimore county police officer under the direction of Jim Johnson , would immediately call the hprb day or night to find out if their note was sufficient. And I'm sure that wouldn't lead to more than a few minutes of delay. Isn't that couple of minutes worth it to keep us safe? Without restrictions, it would be the Wild West.

 

[Gizmo98]

Ok, now I'm curious about my restriction.

"Off duty hours while employed as an instructor with <my agency>. (MD ONLY) (MOT valid for any other employment purposes.) Not valid where Firearms are prohibited."

I didn't think too much of it at first, but does this seem odd to anyone? Can this be twisted to screw me over? How is "off duty" defined? Technically, I'm on the hook to be called in 24/7. What if I change jobs within the agency? At a minimum, I think I want the "as an instructor" removed. Or should I shut up and be happy I got a permit?

 

[protegeV]

You know that's not true. If a restricted person was carrying and had their note, you know a Baltimore county police officer under the direction of Jim Johnson , would immediately call the hprb day or night to find out if their note was sufficient. And I'm sure that wouldn't lead to more than a few minutes of delay. Isn't that couple of minutes worth it to keep us safe? Without restrictions, it would be the Wild West.

put up the knaub signal

 

[eruby]

put up the knaub signal

 

[protegeV]

not QUITE the one I was thinking of