HUGE 2A VICTORY-US Appeals Court Issues New Opinion Finding Federal Gun Control Law Unconstitutional

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  • pcfixer

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    Appeal from the United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas USDC No. 4:21-CR-83-1
    Before Jones, Ho, and Wilson, Circuit Judges. Cory T. Wilson, Circuit Judge:
    Our prior panel opinion, United States v. Rahimi, 59 F.4th 163 (5th Cir. 2023), is WITHDRAWN and the following opinion is SUBSTITUTED therefor:

    The question presented in this case is not whether prohibiting the possession of firearms by someone subject to a domestic violence restraining order is a laudable policy goal. The question is whether 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8), a specific statute that does so, is constitutional under the Second United States Court of Appeals Fifth Circuit FILED March 2, 2023 Lyle W. Cayce Clerk Case:
    21-11001 Document: 154-1 Page: 1 Date Filed: 03/02/2023 No. 21-11001 2 Amendment of the United States Constitution. In the light of N.Y. State Rifle & Pistol Ass’n, Inc. v. Bruen, 142 S. Ct. 2111 (2022), it is not.

    Considering the issue afresh, we conclude that Bruen requires us to re-evaluate our Second Amendment jurisprudence and that under Bruen, § 922(g)(8) fails to pass constitutional muster. We therefore reverse the district court’s ruling to the contrary and vacate Rahimi’s conviction.


    Doubtless, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(8) embodies salutary policy goals meant to protect vulnerable people in our society. Weighing those policy goals’ merits through the sort of means-end scrutiny our prior precedent indulged, we previously concluded that the societal benefits of § 922(g)(8) outweighed its burden on Rahimi’s Second Amendment rights. But Bruen forecloses any such analysis in favor of a historical analogical inquiry into the scope of the allowable burden on the Second Amendment right. Through that lens, we conclude that § 922(g)(8)’s ban on possession of firearms is an “outlier[] that our ancestors would never have accepted.” Id. Therefore, the statute is unconstitutional, and Rahimi’s conviction under that statute must be vacated. REVERSED; CONVICTION VACATED.

     

    lazarus

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    I wonder if something that might come out of this is holding actual violent offenders more accountable. If there are fewer restraints on their access to firearms if prosecutors, judges, legislators and society are all going to be a lot more interested in holding them accountable rather than shrugging off little things like being an abusive partner. "we'll just tell them to stay away and they can't buy guns, so it'll be fine now".
     

    whistlersmother

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    Jan 29, 2013
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    I wonder if something that might come out of this is holding actual violent offenders more accountable. If there are fewer restraints on their access to firearms if prosecutors, judges, legislators and society are all going to be a lot more interested in holding them accountable rather than shrugging off little things like being an abusive partner. "we'll just tell them to stay away and they can't buy guns, so it'll be fine now".
    That would be the logical course.

    Politicians and judges don't do logical things and don't care about unintended consequences. They would rather have an increase in crime in not-their-neighborhoods than see the incarceration rates go up.
     

    wpage

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    Oct 17, 2022
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    I wonder if something that might come out of this is holding actual violent offenders more accountable. If there are fewer restraints on their access to firearms if prosecutors, judges, legislators and society are all going to be a lot more interested in holding them accountable rather than shrugging off little things like being an abusive partner. "we'll just tell them to stay away and they can't buy guns, so it'll be fine now".
    Accountability.... Yes, please ^^^^
     

    slsc98

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    That would be a real kick in the butt to all those who bought full auto at elevated prices due to regulatory scarcity.

    I’m beginning to suspect that same (selfish? sicko?) precept is precisely what motivated at least one Class 3 owner on another firearms forum who started a thread titled, “Are You About To Become A Felon?” and comes across as set on telling everyone who’ll listen how the ATF’s pistol brace rule is, “in the bag” and, any braced pistol owners better stamp up or else “you’re about become a felon.”
    That individual for some unknown reason conveniently left out the ATF’s previous letter (stating shouldering a braced pistol did not make the braced pistol a sbr) from his own rendition of history leading up to the current atf flip flop; and,
    When another forum member’s attempts to substantiate the relevance of the ATF’s prior letter included posting links to videos by Washington Gun Law’s William Kirk and The Four Box Diner’s Mark Smith posting the exact same videos we‘re seeing here quickly earned that second forum member a public warning from the Mod for, get this, “posting political threads in the ‘Gun Control’ forum!”) Okayyyyyyy … :sad20:
     
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    Mark75H

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    That would be a real kick in the butt to all those who bought full auto at elevated prices due to regulatory scarcity.
    In deed it would. I am surprised this hasn't come up in conversation more often and sooner.

    Show me the homologs to the NFA prior to 1789

    "Shall not be infringed."
     

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