Straightshooter
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Just got the word that another of my test cases was approved. A farmer friend got his permit in the mail today.
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Just got the word that another of my test cases was approved. A farmer friend got his permit in the mail today.
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Not sure of the exact date, but it's on the 90 day mark.
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From time of app. MSP holds them to the 90 day mark from the date of application. This is not new. They've been doing this for as long as I can remember. This ain't the 7 day wait for purchases.
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Well, I'm still waiting.. I've contacted MSP and they did tell me that there is the 90 days, but since more "evidence" was asked for, now its all up in the air..
Just got a call from York County sheriffs office letting me know my PA permit is ready to be picked up. I mailed the application Thursday (i.e. 6 days ago)
The application only took me 15 minutes to complete and the $20 fee is good for 5 years. It's also the ONLY cost. Didn't have to get fingerprinted, attend another CCW training, or get "interviewed like a potential criminal.
The process made me want to weep for the complete clusterf&ck that is the MD process.
Here's the wording from the MSP's S.O.P. Note the BOLD parts (#2 & #10). Keep in mind that the MSP holds the cards, since they never "complete the application" until the clock is about to run out.
2. Applications should be stamped with the date received upon delivery to Licensing Division.
3. Handgun Permit Unit’s personnel will review the application for completeness no later than
three business days from receipt. If the application is not complete, the Handgun Permit
Unit’s supervisor will determine whether the applicant will be e-mailed explaining the shortage
or the entire application will be returned to the applicant with an explanation as to why the
package was unable to be processed. In either case, corresponding notes will be logged in
the Handgun Permit Unit’s folder in the department’s shared drive. Unit members will make
every effort to process applications that may be missing information which may be added to
the file at a later time.
4. Acceptable applications will be entered into the Licensing Division’s Lotus Notes Application
Tracking System.
SOP 29-15-007
Processing of Handgun Permit Applications
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5. All checks and/or money orders received with the application will be processed in accordance
with ADM 10.03 and S.O.P. 29-13-014.
6. The Handgun Permit Unit will make an entry into Lotus Notes that indicate the date the
fingerprints were taken. Likewise, the Handgun Permit Unit will note the date the Unit receives
the results of the Maryland Criminal Justice Information System (CJIS), National Instant
Criminal Background Check (NICS), Department of Health & Mental Hygiene (DHMH) and the
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) criminal history record check results.
7. Any received handgun permit applications that indicate a request for another certification
within Licensing Division, will be conspicuously marked, and a copy of the application will be
forwarded to the corresponding section. The Handgun Permit Unit will track the progress of
both applications and ensure the timely processing of all applications.
8. The Handgun Permit Unit will immediately, or within three business days, scan and distributed
applicable, completed applications to the Administrative Investigations Unit and record the
assignment in the corresponding tracking log.
9. Upon return from the Administrative Investigations Unit, the entire investigative packet;
application, criminal history record checks responses, investigative reports and all documents
submitted by the applicant, will be forwarded to Handgun Permit Unit’s personnel assigned to
determine approval or denial to conduct the NCIS and DHMH queries and make final
determination.
NOTE: Handgun Permit Unit’s personnel assigned to review applications to determine
approval or denial must inform the Commander or his designee anytime his determination of
an applicant’s qualification(s) differs from that of the assigned firearm investigator so that
proper reconciliation may be accomplished.
10. Approved applications will be processed for photograph scanning, handgun permit card
printing and mailed to the applicant with the approval letter with five days of completion.
Should processing extend beyond 90 days, the applicant will be notified, via e-mail or
telephone, as to the reason for the delay and provided with an expected date of completion.
Here's the wording from the MSP's S.O.P. Note the BOLD parts (#2 & #10). Keep in mind that the MSP holds the cards, since they never "complete the application" until the clock is about to run out.
2. Applications should be stamped with the date received upon delivery to Licensing Division.
3. Handgun Permit Unit’s personnel will review the application for completeness no later than
three business days from receipt. If the application is not complete, the Handgun Permit
Unit’s supervisor will determine whether the applicant will be e-mailed explaining the shortage
or the entire application will be returned to the applicant with an explanation as to why the
package was unable to be processed. In either case, corresponding notes will be logged in
the Handgun Permit Unit’s folder in the department’s shared drive. Unit members will make
every effort to process applications that may be missing information which may be added to
the file at a later time.
4. Acceptable applications will be entered into the Licensing Division’s Lotus Notes Application
Tracking System.
SOP 29-15-007
Processing of Handgun Permit Applications
5 of 9
5. All checks and/or money orders received with the application will be processed in accordance
with ADM 10.03 and S.O.P. 29-13-014.
6. The Handgun Permit Unit will make an entry into Lotus Notes that indicate the date the
fingerprints were taken. Likewise, the Handgun Permit Unit will note the date the Unit receives
the results of the Maryland Criminal Justice Information System (CJIS), National Instant
Criminal Background Check (NICS), Department of Health & Mental Hygiene (DHMH) and the
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) criminal history record check results.
7. Any received handgun permit applications that indicate a request for another certification
within Licensing Division, will be conspicuously marked, and a copy of the application will be
forwarded to the corresponding section. The Handgun Permit Unit will track the progress of
both applications and ensure the timely processing of all applications.
8. The Handgun Permit Unit will immediately, or within three business days, scan and distributed
applicable, completed applications to the Administrative Investigations Unit and record the
assignment in the corresponding tracking log.
9. Upon return from the Administrative Investigations Unit, the entire investigative packet;
application, criminal history record checks responses, investigative reports and all documents
submitted by the applicant, will be forwarded to Handgun Permit Unit’s personnel assigned to
determine approval or denial to conduct the NCIS and DHMH queries and make final
determination.
NOTE: Handgun Permit Unit’s personnel assigned to review applications to determine
approval or denial must inform the Commander or his designee anytime his determination of
an applicant’s qualification(s) differs from that of the assigned firearm investigator so that
proper reconciliation may be accomplished.
10. Approved applications will be processed for photograph scanning, handgun permit card
printing and mailed to the applicant with the approval letter with five days of completion.
Should processing extend beyond 90 days, the applicant will be notified, via e-mail or
telephone, as to the reason for the delay and provided with an expected date of completion.
No argument from me. But what I say is 100% true. It was yanked from online and is not being followed/adhered to.If the 2015 SOP is invalid, but the new one isn't published, then how is the old one invalid? Troops can only go by a published SOP...now, if its just not on the site, that's one thing. But pending SOPs are just that and normally cant be followed...but hey, this is MSP so whatever goes, it seems...
LOL, don't you need Windows 95 to run it? LMAOIf your application was loaded into Lotus Notes all the Licensing Divisions more recent webpage window dressing isn't going to help LOL
Just because their SOP is no longer visible to you, does not make it invalid.The September 2015 SOP is no longer valid. A new one has not been published as of yet. Don't ask me how I know.
As stated previously it has been invalidated by the licensing division. I never said it was invalid because it was not on the web. It is no longer valid AND it is has been pulled from the web. They are actively NOT honoring it as a matter of internal policy. I am not guessing this, it is a fact.Just because their SOP is no longer visible to you, does not make it invalid.
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