Hogan signs anti 2A bills 4/23

[ironpony]

The Fat Lady is still having breakfast in Annapolis, fingers crossed. Veto.

 

[SCV/SAR Patriot]

The politics of fear once again and seemingly forever at play. "You've got to vote for this guy because he's better than the turd the Democrats will nominate!" Nonsense.

The MDGOP sold us all down the river with bump stock and the ERPO bills. They played politics with our rights so they might have a better shot at staying in office. What is the point of voting for people who will abandon your principles when it matters most? At least the gun grabber will say "I want your guns" and actively scheme to come get them. The closet turds/RINOs (and I use the term RINO begrudgingly, broadly speaking in a macro sense, there is practically no difference in the parties) will lie to our faces and then stab us in the back. The guy who is upfront about it can be countered, protested, worked again. The backstabber will have the element of surprise. Why vote for that guy? If the "conservative party" isn't going to do conservative things, fvck them.

If we're constantly willing to prop up a particular candidate/official because they are "less bad" than the other guy, we will continue to get a stream of shitty candidates that don't actually move the needle. For fvck's sake, the Sun put out an editorial last week suggesting Hogan was a closet Democrat!

If you want to abandon your principles and vote for someone who chose to sign legislation that will allow confiscation of your firearms based on one person telling a lie, that's your business. Kindly don't belittle those of us who will stick to our principles and refuse to support in any form or fashion those who support Communist tactics such as those found in the ERPO bills. No.

Show me a candidate worth my vote and they'll get it. Until that time, the gun grabbing turds (regardless of party affiliation) can FOAD. Hogan and his ilk can suck it.

Amen

 

[swinokur]

As I said, give us the alternative.

Sticking to your principles (principals) is fine but we need an alternative.

As has been said many times:

"Hope is not a strategy" seems to apply here as well.

Give us a plan besides doing nothing, because that's not a plan either

 

[Haides]

As I said, give us the alternative.

Sticking to your principles (principals) is fine but we need an alternative.

As has been said many times:

"Hope is not a strategy" seems to apply here as well.

Give us a plan besides doing nothing, because that's not a plan either

How about not supporting backstabbing "Republicans" even if it means letting a Democrat take power? Hell, the faster we fall down their hell hole, the sooner we'd be justified in opening box 4 and fixing this mess.

 

[Doctor_M]

I have something in the works for this. If I am successful, it will be shared with MDS.

Thank you!

 

[FMD]

It's not Hogan - it's Maryland. Hogan is a byproduct of politics in this state.

 

[swinokur]

How about not supporting backstabbing "Republicans" even if it means letting a Democrat take power? Hell, the faster we fall down their hell hole, the sooner we'd be justified in opening box 4 and fixing this mess.

Not supporting a candidate is ok, but vote for the opposition if that's what you feel will help our situation.

At least that's a plan.

But I'm not gonna sit and do nothing.

That helps only the opposition. Part of having principles also means doing something instead of sitting it out IMO.

I think this discussion has gone as far as it can go without devolving into something else.

 

[jrumann59]

The worst thing is backstabbing politician, as if there is any other kind, the fact so many believed Hogan to be "good" guy and to basically say FU to so many supporters for political gain is what bothers many. I have said from the beginning, I voted for him also, if he turns out to be some double dealing guy that only cares about a 2nd term, we then as a group are more screwed that if Brown got in. Brown would have rolled his agenda down I95 with MSP escort for all to see. Some times the worst enemies are the ones that you thought were your friend.

 

[44man]

Explain the HPRB not being filled with Marylander's to prevent gun violence. Guy is between a rock and a hard place. Ever since campaign I've never heard him with a proactive 2A message. He was on record he wouldn't seek changing previous Maryland gun laws. Well that to me includes our carry scheme. He goes on record championing Bump stock bans and "embracing" Red Flag laws. I don't get the shock right now, he's been saying his position all along. Let a Dem win, go ahead. Get your checkbook out come tax time, regulate even more businesses out of Maryland to neighbor states, make the state an official sanctuary state, and next that magazine policy we have now will become prohibition. It's a binary choice, and if you are so pissed at the Gov, you'd rather have worse.. well heck just more common sense I guess. Governor doesn't have the luxury of pockets of Republican voters like the delegates do. It's why those delegates changed their votes, not a damn thing to do with their convictions.

I will explain the hgrb, its a scheme to allow those with time and money to get a ccw in md so they don't use that time and money against Hogan. its to keep people of some means quiet.

the average joe the ditch digger quiet doesn't matter to those in power but they don't want to piss off those with money and or free time so Hogan came up with this scheme.

and the couple hundred people that the hgrb gives permits to, and that's stretching the number, is far better for Hogan than those same people donating big money to his opponents and causing him grief.

once Hogan signs these bills he is just as anti gun and anti 2a and anti constitution as any democrat out there. they will then be one and the same.

 

[welder516]

Hogan for the most part don't need our votes here at MDS , he will walk away with the win IMHO . And i will agree with BoondockSaint Hogan is a closet Dem . He is more on the liberal side the on the conservative side . He also is on the wrong side of history and the Constitution but few Dems worry about such issues .

 

[Augie]

I'm voting for Hogan, have any of you read the profiles of the wacko crazy libtards running against him? I've got to live in this crappy state and if any of the Dims get elected they will make it an even bigger @#ithole with Frosh's blessing and help.
Hogan is far from perfect but he has at least tried to keep taxes in check and has started road projects all around the state. I would love to see the legislature pick up enough Republican seats to make the Governors vetoes stick, right now every one is overridden.

 

[Boondock Saint]

As I said, give us the alternative.

Sticking to your principles (principals) is fine but we need an alternative.

As has been said many times:

"Hope is not a strategy" seems to apply here as well.

Give us a plan besides doing nothing, because that's not a plan either

You've heard of "vote with your feet" or "vote with your wallet?" I do that as well. I also vote with my vote.

If a politician actually supports RKBA, I'm eager to delve further into their positions and determine to what extent they actually support individual freedom. If they check enough boxes, they get a vote.

If they don't support RKBA, the conversation is over. Without passing that simple litmus test, a basic tenement of liberty, there is nothing else to learn about them.

When we support a system (by voting for turds) that continues to bring us wishy washy candidates from the "other side," we perpetuate the Sophie's Choice scenario. Why didn't McCain or Romney beat Obama? They were/are lukewarm turds that offered no real alternative to other candidate/incumbent. The crappy voter turnout across just two elections stoked the fires for Trump, the supposed savior of our constitutional republic (or the antichrist, depending on your view). Regardless of one's opinion of Trump, status quo he largely isn't. Trump was able to paint himself as an actual difference maker in a sea of ******** as usual.

The plan? Support candidates who actually support liberty and freedom. As long as both parties are putting forth turds, there's no reason to vote for them. Politics is a business, among other things. If there's demand for the Romneys and McCains of the world, we'll continue to get them. Let us stop demanding the Romneys and McCains and Hogans of the political world with our votes.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Anywhere except Md , NJ , NY, and Cali , Hogan and his spiritual brother Christie would be Fiscally Moderate Democrats .

 

[swinokur]

I'm all for supporting a candidate you agree with.

I'm not for doing nothing. That doesn't advance the ball down the field, nor does it solidify or hold our position. I realize some will reply by saying with Hogan we lost ground. OK, how much would we have lost with Brown?

And most people outside of MDS are not single issue voters. We need to recognize that as well.

YMMV

 

[motorcoachdoug]

This is so sad to say but MD has decided your rights no longer important. I received an E Mail from a cousin about what Rev Franklin Gram has said about the slop that America is now on.

BILLY GRAHAM'S SON IS TELLING THE SAD TRUTH

NEVER SAID BETTER

Time is like a river. You cannot touch the water twice, because the flow that has passed will never pass again. Franklin Graham was speaking at the First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida, when he said America will not come back. He wrote:

"The American dream ended on November 6th, 2012. The second term of Barack Obama has been the final nail in the coffin for the legacy of the white Christian males who discovered, explored, pioneered, settled and developed the greatest republic in the history of mankind.

A coalition of blacks, Latinos, feminists, gays, government workers, union members, environmental extremists, the media, Hollywood, uninformed young people, the "forever needy," the chronically unemployed, illegal aliens and other "fellow travelers" have ended Norman Rockwell's America.

You will never again out-vote these people. It will take individual acts of defiance and massive displays of civil disobedience to get back the rights we have allowed them to take away. It will take zealots, not moderates and shy, not reach-across-the-aisle RINOs to right this ship and restore our beloved country to its former status.

People like me are completely politically irrelevant, and I will probably never again be able to legally comment on or concern myself with the aforementioned coalition which has surrendered our culture, our heritage and our traditions without a shot being fired.

The Cocker spaniel is off the front porch, the pit bull is in the back yard The American Constitution has been replaced with Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals" and the likes of Chicago shyster David Axelrod along with international socialist George Soros have been pulling the strings on their beige puppet and have brought us Act 2 of the New World Order.

The curtain will come down but the damage has been done, the story has been told.

Those who come after us will once again have to risk their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to bring back the Republic that this generation has timidly frittered away due to white guilt and political correctness."


This is what MD has become thru the demorats in the MGA.. This only a matter of time before things will come to ahead.. What will you do when that time comes??? Each man must decide for him and his family..

 

[Haides]

Not supporting a candidate is ok, but vote for the opposition if that's what you feel will help our situation.

At least that's a plan.

But I'm not gonna sit and do nothing.

That helps only the opposition. Part of having principles also means doing something instead of sitting it out IMO.

I think this discussion has gone as far as it can go without devolving into something else.

I'm not going to vote for anyone that doesn't support my principles, even if means not voting for the "electable" guy that's going to screw me over anyway and the Dems end up winning; that's what I meant.

If Hogan wants my vote then he needs to earn it, and every one of you claiming to vote for him again after this is giving him cover for these shenanigans. Does anyone seriously believe that vetoing HB1302 would've lost Hogan any serious amount of votes? We need to make sure that signing it loses him more votes than vetoing it would've lost him. That is the ONLY power we have left in this state, and the fact that some of you are willing to throw that at gun grabbers just for wanting to take less of your guns than the other guy is disgusting.

I'm voting for Hogan, have any of you read the profiles of the wacko crazy libtards running against him? I've got to live in this crappy state and if any of the Dims get elected they will make it an even bigger @#ithole with Frosh's blessing and help.
Hogan is far from perfect but he has at least tried to keep taxes in check and has started road projects all around the state. I would love to see the legislature pick up enough Republican seats to make the Governors vetoes stick, right now every one is overridden.

Then you are anti-2A. He absolutely could've vetoed this bill, and it couldn't be overrided. But he chose to sign it.

I have to live here too, and I'm sure as shit not going to vote for people that are actively trying to put me in jail.

 

[DanGuy48]

What I especially view as a betrayal is the couple legislators I thought were backing our fight for our rights, only to have them vote in favor of this POS legislation.

WHY?

It would pass without their vote. They simply did not need to put in a metoo vote. Does this mean that they believed their constitutents actually supported this bill? Certainly we have not done that poor of a job communicating how unhappy we are, or do they just view us as chicken littles now, destined to turn out en masse at anything?

Why the betrayal by these folks in particular?

 

[DC-W]

Now it's the circular firing squad.

Everyone's mad. Your fellow MDS'r is not your foe.

 

[44man]

What I especially view as a betrayal is the couple legislators I thought were backing our fight for our rights, only to have them vote in favor of this POS legislation.

WHY?

It would pass without their vote. They simply did not need to put in a metoo vote. Does this mean that they believed their constitutents actually supported this bill? Certainly we have not done that poor of a job communicating how unhappy we are, or do they just view us as chicken littles now, destined to turn out en masse at anything?

Why the betrayal by these folks in particular?

because your rights mean less to them than their political aspirations. these same folks will piss down your back and tell you its raining and tell you to like it because they know better than you how to live your own life.

 

[East2West]

Yeah, better to have somebody like O'Malley in there championing something like FSA2013. He had to force some people to vote for FSA2013 to get it passed. Much better to have an O'Malley versus a Hogan. Plus, the rain tax was brilliant and didn't O'Malley increase the gas tax too. Great stuff for the environment and our pocket books.

Did O'Malley sign the bill repealing the shell casing law? I ask because I cannot remember.

Now, let me go find that sarcasm button.

And here you see the left's plan in action. This person is so happy they don't pay $100 a year rain tax that theyre ok with their gun rights and due process rights being trampled.

How's the saying go?

"Keep the masses fat, fed, with a roof over their head and you can enslave them forever"