Help ID a gun

[cww]

Friend of mine inherited this thing. Looks to be missing a magazine. Bore size seems to indicate it is a 22 of some sort. Has matching markings on parts. Any thoughts?

 

[iH8DemLibz]

Appears to be a Dutch Mauser.

It doesn't take magazines. It takes clips with the ammo loaded onto them.

The .22 bore is interesting. Training rifle perhaps.

Caliber could be 6.5 Swedish. 6.5 x .0393 = .256 caliber. Very close to .22 caliber in appearance.

 

[67temp]

Just a quick google search says a Dutch Mannlicher made by hembrug in 1918.

 

[ken792]

It's a Dutch Mannlicher. They're clip fed, so it's not missing a mag. You sure the bore is .22 and not 6.5mm?

 

[MilsurpDan]

It's a Dutch M1895 Mannlicher. Not to be confused with the Steyr M1895 Straight-pull bolt action. It should be in 6.5x53r Dutch caliber.

Can you get some more pictures of the whole rifle, the butt stock and the end of the barrel/bayonet lug? That'll help determine which model it is. There's like 30-some different variations of Dutch Mannlichers

 

[tallen702]

Sorry, but second picture.... is that a F*%^ing NAIL in the stock?

 

[iH8DemLibz]

Sorry, but second picture.... is that a F*%^ing NAIL in the stock?

The stock has serious damage.

Pic 3.

 

[Doctor_M]

Sure looks like it. Poor gun.... otherwise a pretty neat piece of history.

 

[cww]

thanks for the replies

responses in no particular order:
the bore is small like a 22 so it could be 6.5, I didn't measure anything and there are no caliber markings. trigger works and bolt is smooth.
there are several nail looking objects in the stock, think you can see 3 in the first pic. they all have a pattern on the head.
I will try to get an overall pic and end of barrel pic
so the clip feed is thru the bottom of the trigger guard? I f not what is the large opening for?

 

[MacGuns]

More info from Ian

 

[ken792]

thanks for the replies

responses in no particular order:
the bore is small like a 22 so it could be 6.5, I didn't measure anything and there are no caliber markings. trigger works and bolt is smooth.
there are several nail looking objects in the stock, think you can see 3 in the first pic. they all have a pattern on the head.
I will try to get an overall pic and end of barrel pic
so the clip feed is thru the bottom of the trigger guard? I f not what is the large opening for?

Mannlicher clips load through the top, and then the empty clip drops out the bottom once you chamber the last cartridge out of it.

 

[iH8DemLibz]

thanks for the replies

responses in no particular order:
the bore is small like a 22 so it could be 6.5, I didn't measure anything and there are no caliber markings. trigger works and bolt is smooth.
there are several nail looking objects in the stock, think you can see 3 in the first pic. they all have a pattern on the head.
I will try to get an overall pic and end of barrel pic
so the clip feed is thru the bottom of the trigger guard? I f not what is the large opening for?

If you have a .223/5.56 round laying about, the neck measurement is right at .246 dia. By my round and my calipers anyway.

If the round goes into the bore and up to the beginning of the shoulder of the case, dollars to donuts it's a 6.5 cal.

 

[tallen702]

The stock has serious damage.

Pic 3.

Yeesh. I got so hung up on the nail head I didn't even see that serious split by the action. Yowza!

thanks for the replies

responses in no particular order:
the bore is small like a 22 so it could be 6.5, I didn't measure anything and there are no caliber markings. trigger works and bolt is smooth.
there are several nail looking objects in the stock, think you can see 3 in the first pic. they all have a pattern on the head.
I will try to get an overall pic and end of barrel pic
so the clip feed is thru the bottom of the trigger guard? I f not what is the large opening for?

I'd try IH8DemLibz's suggestion for bore gauging. You could also slug it if you've got a similar sized lead fishing sinker around and feel comfortable with that process.

Your friend is definitely going to need to re-stock it if he plans on firing it. It'd only going to get worse, and more dangerous, given the type damage it has.

As others have said, clip is en-bloc, kind of like a Garand, you shove it in through the top and it drops out the bottom when it's empty. (Garand kicks it out the top, hence the "ping")

Here's a decent example:

https://youtu.be/xwH1RwIboeY?t=1m5s

 

[chooks9]

Definitely a Dutch Mannlicher. This one is made in the Netherlands (Hembrug), but some were also made by Steyr. Definitely 6.5x53r, which has very similar brass as .303 British. In fact, a bunch were converted to .303 either during or definitely after WWII by the Indonoesians/Dutch East Indies KNIL forces. I have one that is one of these conversions. Versions in 6.5 and .303 use the same en-bloc clips and have been good shooters in my experience. Neat little gun.