HB1261 - Weapon Crimes - Assault Long Guns and Copycat Weapons

[bitterkenny]

Grandfathered. For now. Until the GA come back around for them later. Because, you know, the registration and all. And our children would be screwed. So not worth playing that game in my opinion.

I will testify. Then I will not comply. And if it comes to a head, I will move out of here. I'd rather enjoy the remainder of my life in a state that doesn't hate me.

 

[135sohc]

In the meantime print out a copy of the bill and discuss it with anyone who might live under a rock and not be aware of it. Hell I struck up a conversation with one of my coworkers whom its been almost 4 years since we last talked (long story there) and she was totally unaware of it.

Just my speculation, I dont know who was doing the inside deal making in 2013 that got several things striken. But there are a few potentially exploitable things on the features list that can be challenged if the right people testify.

 

[Raineman]

I'd rather enjoy the remainder of my life in a state that doesn't hate me.

Wisdom

 

[Tebonski]

These Maryland Jim Crow gun persecutions will continue until the Supreme Court or Fourth Circuit puts an end to them.

If Trump wins again all this nonsense ends when he replaces RBG and/or Breyer. Could end before then with the New York case but I doubt it.

So, Trump wins we're safe.

Trump should win.

 

[rbird7282]

These Maryland Jim Crow gun persecutions will continue until the Supreme Court or Fourth Circuit puts an end to them.

If Trump wins again all this nonsense ends when he replaces RBG and/or Breyer. Could end before then with the New York case but I doubt it.

So, Trump wins we're safe.

Trump should win.

Safe? No we're not. Look at what's going on in Virginia while Trump is POTUS. MD is far worse with the Dems supermajority. I really hope Trump wins again and gets 1-2 more SC nominations but I still have very little faith in the Supreme Court. Even if they rule on our side, it will take multiple rulings and years before they have the desired effect for us.

 

[Doobie]

These Maryland Jim Crow gun persecutions will continue until the Supreme Court or Fourth Circuit puts an end to them.

If Trump wins again all this nonsense ends when he replaces RBG and/or Breyer. Could end before then with the New York case but I doubt it.

So, Trump wins we're safe.

Trump should win.

That’s what we thought the first time Trump was elected, yet here we are(along with other states that thought they’d never see this bs). The Supreme Court needs to get off of their asses and strike this non sense down once and for all by ruling with the COTUS, but those clowns won’t.

 

[Raineman]

it will take multiple rulings and years before they have the desired effect for us.

Isn’t this the desired result? Win the game. ??

So we outplay them and achieve the desired result. Its for the children.

 

[PowPow]

A correction to MSI’s summary. There is no stated cost to register. The $290 and increasing are civil fines if you FAIL to register by January 1, 2021.

The HB says you must own it by 10/1/2020. It must be registered by 1/1/2021. Failure to do so results in a fine upon registration of $290 starting 1/1/2021. It goes up in May of 2021 to November of 2022 to $580. And then again to finally end up being $1000 fine for voluntarily registering or being caught with one from November 2022 to May 2023.

After May 1, 2023 if you are caught with one, it is punishable by up to a year in prison.

IANAL. But I don't think your summary is quite right, and they wrote the bill this way on purpose to confuse folks into thinking the prison term is 1 year.

Here is the text:

IV) 1. A PERSON WHO LAWFULLY POSSESSED AN ASSAULT
LONG GUN OR A COPYCAT WEAPON BEFORE OCTOBER 1, 2020, AND WHO REGISTERS
THE ASSAULT LONG GUN OR COPYCAT WEAPON ON OR AFTER JANUARY 1, 2021, AND
BEFORE MAY 1,2023, ONLY AFTER BEING DISCOVERED IN POSSESSION OF THE
ASSAULT LONG GUN OR COPYCAT WEAPON BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, IS
NOT SUBJECT TO THE PENALTIES IN §4–306 OF THIS SUBTITLE.

2. A PERSON DESCRIBED IN SUBSUBPARAGRAPH 1 OF
THIS SUBPARAGRAPH IS GUILTY OF A MISDEMEANOR AND ON CONVICTION IS
SUBJECT TO IMPRISONMENT NOT EXCEEDING 1 YEAR FOR EACH INCIDENT IN WHICH
THE PERSON IS DISCOVERED WITH UNREGISTERED FIREARMS.

§4-306 isn't even included in this bill text! Here it is.

4-306 Criminal law:

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this subtitle, a person who violates this subtitle is guilty of a
misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to imprisonment not exceeding 3 years or a fine not
exceeding $5,000 or both.
(b)(1) A person who uses an assault weapon, or a magazine that has a capacity of more than
10 rounds of ammunition, in the commission of a felony or a crime of violence as defined in § 5-101
of the Public Safety Article is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction, in addition to any other
sentence imposed for the felony or crime of violence, shall be sentenced under this subsection.
...

What this all means is that if HB1261 becomes law, between January 1, 2021 and May 1, 2023, if one is caught with an unregistered "assault or copycat" by a LEO, it is no more than a year in prison per incident.

HOWEVER, if a LEO finds one with an unregistered "assault or copycat" after May 1, 2023, it's no more than 3 years in prison and no more than $5000 fine as defined by §4–306.

As for the fines, one could voluntarily register affected firearms at no fine until January 1, 2021. The civil fines ($290/per, $580/per, and $100/per) apply only when one chooses to voluntarily register between January 1, 2021 and May 1, 2023. After May 1, 2023, it's 3 years prison and/or $5000.

 

[whistlersmother]

Send that someone who will buy my way. I live in a quiet area with good neighbors. I’m 100% serious.

If I knew anyone looking, I'd send them.

I just saying, if you sell, your tax money is replaced with some other guy's tax money.

 

[ziptiespec]

Need to put together a shopping list of everything that will be unavailable after 10/1 if this passes. Just ordered a FiveSeveN as a start.

Do this, sure. But if you're not going to help fight these bills then stop posting, buy your ********, register it, and enjoy your new laws.

 

[rbird7282]

Isn’t this the desired result? Win the game. ??

So we outplay them and achieve the desired result. Its for the children.

Absolutely, just noting that even if it does happen it won't be as fast as some here think it will.

 

[ziptiespec]

So, I read this entire thread and my only thought is when do we go to Annapolis and make a stand to keep our civil rights?

Committee hearing in the House is TBD. That date would be a good one to show up.

 

[LeadSled1]

So how can a law dictate you do something before the law is in effect, or you run afoul of said law. The law would have to be in place and grant time for the action to occur.

 

[Nickberg500]

Before the panic buying sets in... What guns would you recommend buying? I already have a poverty pony AR, should I get a lower to start another build? What calibers? I could probably swing one more rifle for $400-$600, or I could buy a few lowers. Which I guess must go through 77r since they could be built into pistols.

 

[Bob A]

The current text of the bill means nothing. The final text, assuming the bill is passed, will answer all questions. That will be in April.

If it passes in a form recognisably similar to the current bill, be assured that it will only be two steps or so away from confiscation. The game is played in increments, and with a veto-proof majority, they will do what they want. What they want is to take your firearms. Probably all of them. That's how it played out in Germany, and that's the script they're following.

Once all firearms are secured, with such things as hunting rifles, shotguns and rimfire rifles excluded from confiscation for the time being - as long as they're stored in armories or licensed "gun clubs" - permits will be granted to Party members and other "trustworthy" individuals. No one here will be deemed "trustworthy" thanks to vigorous opposition to the current regime. That too is how it was done in Germany.

This is not about guns, at all, no matter what others may tell you. This is about creating and defining groups who can be scapegoated, in order to intimidate the remaining population, and solidify them against the proscribed groups. That too is how it was done in Germany, and it works very well. It has worked in many places over the last century, a tried and true program to establish a permanent ruling group, no longer subject to such messy things as elections, and free to take unto themselves whatever wealth can be raised from their subjects.

Don't believe me? Wait and see.

 

[Norton]

And on top of ALL this, it's an Olympic Target Pistol ban. The business about "no magazine outside the grip" affects about 75% of the high-end target pistols.

Breakdown from the 2014 ISSF World Championship (the last I have information on):

Men's Rapid Fire Pistol
Pardini SP RF - 72% - BANNED
Pardini SP - 10% - BANNED
Match Guns MG2 - 9%
Izh-35m - 3%
Morini CM-22 - 2% - BANNED
Match Guns MG2E - 2%
Walther GSP - 1% - BANNED
Hammerli SP20 - 1% - BANNED

That's 86%!

Now let's turn to Women's Sport Pistol

Pardini SP - 52% - BANNED
Feinwerkbau AW-93 - 18%
Walther SSP - 11%
Morini CM22 - 5% - BANNED
Benelli MP90S - 4% - BANNED
Walther GSP - 4% - BANNED
Match Guns MG2 - 2%
Hammerli SP20 - 1% - BANNED
Izh-KhR-30 - 1%
FAS 603 - 1%
Izh-35m - 1%

So the women are slightly better off...with only 66% of the guns banned.

This is obscene.

Naval Academy Pistol Team.would he shut down.

 

[dmable44]

I’ve been an introvert about this for a while now but it’s time to actually start writing emails and showing up for rally days. I’ve realized throwing money at organizations hoping it will help will simply not cut it anymore. I’ve grown extremely passionate about the 2nd Amendment and my constitutional rights and I don’t want to be that guy that sits back and does nothing.

That being said, I’m not the best at writing a well read, diplomatic email. Any tips or help would be greatly appreciated. PM me if you could please, thanks!

 

[teratos]

The registration will let you keep your guns....until the next mass shooting. Then the registry will be the confiscation list.

 

[Doctor_M]

Somehow, I don't see a $2,000 .22 target pistol as the sort of thing used to rob liquor stores in Baltimore.

They get used, but the ammo is mismatched

 

[Allen65]

Naval Academy Pistol Team.would he shut down.

This is a very useful point for Senate testimony. And there's a nice picture online that would make a great visual for that:
https://www.usna.edu/Pistol/_files/images/Mastheads/Team%2016-17

Just use MS Paint to circle all the soon-to-be-banned guns and present this to the SJPC.