HB 4 being debated on the floor NOW

[Kicken Wing]

So, they adjourned today without further discussion on HB4. I'll check the agenda for tomorrow when it's up and let everyone know.

Please do. I am testifying in opposition to the SB208 companion bill and I have some good points that slice some quotes from the Beary into pieces.

 

[jefflac02]

Please do. I am testifying in opposition to the SB208 companion bill and I have some good points that slice some quotes from the Beary into pieces.

I like it! Slice and dice my friend. It will take every once of energy I have not to unload on her next week during hearings. And even then, I may not have that kind of restraint. She is a queen B and is the worst kind of person, let alone politician.


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[PowPow]

I like it! Slice and dice my friend. It will take every once of energy I have not to unload on her next week during hearings. And even then, I may not have that kind of restraint. She is a queen B and is the worst kind of person, let alone politician.

The sponsor of the SB208 bill at the Senate Judicial Proceedings committee hearing on 2/5 next week is Sen. Lee. She is actually one of the senators that spoke frequently with us last year. While she is introducing a crap bill, I would not compare her to a Del. Atterbeary. In fact, I have quite a bit of respect for Sen. Lee. She stood outside one time in the cold with inadequate clothing for temperatures and talked with us for over 20 minutes. I have respect for Del. Clippinger among others for similar reasons.

When you run into a rigid ideologue like Del Atterbeary, it's difficult to develop any such respect, since they don't offer any appearance of caring about your point of view. You'll have your turn with her on some of the other gems going through Judiciary. Good luck!

 

[PowPow]

If you watch today's House floor HB4 floor debate, you'll see exactly what a rigid ideologue does. Del. Atterbeary stuck to her guns until the bitter end. In the face of well-reasoned arguments, she completely ignored them. She discredited them. Her information was right - theirs was wrong. She was going down in flames, only to be saved from herself (again) by Del. Clippinger. This one isn't over by any stretch of the imagination. HB4 is a target rich environment. They know it. And now, they know we got game. They'll probably need to use procedural maneuvers to get this one through, and that comes with a price.

 

[Kicken Wing]

If you watch today's House floor HB4 floor debate, you'll see exactly what a rigid ideologue does. Del. Atterbeary stuck to her guns until the bitter end. In the face of well-reasoned arguments, she completely ignored them. She discredited them. Her information was right - theirs was wrong. She was going down in flames, only to be saved from herself (again) by Del. Clippinger. This one isn't over by any stretch of the imagination. HB4 is a target rich environment. They know it. And now, they know we got game. They'll probably need to use procedural maneuvers to get this one through, and that comes with a price.

i am not letting this one go without a fight.

 

[teratos]

If you watch today's House floor HB4 floor debate, you'll see exactly what a rigid ideologue does. Del. Atterbeary stuck to her guns until the bitter end. In the face of well-reasoned arguments, she completely ignored them. She discredited them. Her information was right - theirs was wrong. She was going down in flames, only to be saved from herself (again) by Del. Clippinger. This one isn't over by any stretch of the imagination. HB4 is a target rich environment. They know it. And now, they know we got game. They'll probably need to use procedural maneuvers to get this one through, and that comes with a price.

I wish I could believe they are at all swayed by well-reasoned arguments. Even the most superficially knowledgeable person knows this bill will do nothing to reduce crime and only serves to harass law-abiding gun owners.

 

[PowPow]

I wish I could believe they are at all swayed by well-reasoned arguments. Even the most superficially knowledgeable person knows this bill will do nothing to reduce crime and only serves to harass law-abiding gun owners.

It was a constructive amendment. It didn't hurt the intent of the bill one bit. What it did was insult the ego of our rigid ideologue, Del. Atterbeary. I think it was geared more towards her personality than it was to the bill itself. It was masterful. It showed everyone with eyes and ears exactly what the motivations are of this bill: to hurt gun owners as much as possible.

If you get some time, I recommend watching the show.

 

[teratos]

It was a constructive amendment. It didn't hurt the intent of the bill one bit. What it did was insult the ego of our rigid ideologue, Del. Atterbeary. I think it was geared more towards her personality than it was to the bill itself. It was masterful. It showed everyone with eyes and ears exactly what the motivations are of this bill: to hurt gun owners as much as possible.

If you get some time, I recommend watching the show.

I will make it a point to watch. Thanks for being there.

 

[PowPow]

Special Order Calendar 16 (HB4) is on tomorrow's agenda. They start at 11am tomorrow.

 

[LeadSled1]

I would like to hear their input for federal people in the state. I have long guns that are on my provost marshal’s firearm permit for utilizing on government facilities here in the state. These firearms are also on other people’s permits for the same purpose (the permit does not dictate ownership, it permits having the firearm on premises). A background check is done when a firearm is added or a permit renewed. But a background check is not done every time a firearm is carried. Are they stating this federal policy in place is in violation of their proposed law? Are they going to force federal workers to background check every time for these?

 

[NewTwo]

I would like to hear their input for federal people in the state. I have long guns that are on my provost marshal’s firearm permit for utilizing on government facilities here in the state. These firearms are also on other people’s permits for the same purpose (the permit does not dictate ownership, it permits having the firearm on premises). A background check is done when a firearm is added or a permit renewed. But a background check is not done every time a firearm is carried. Are they stating this federal policy in place is in violation of their proposed law? Are they going to force federal workers to background check every time for these?

Write to them about things like this. Everything like this helps sow just a little bit more doubt into the bill.

 

[PowPow]

HB4 passed second read with one additional amendment. I'm sure there are other amendments floating around, but they may be held back for the right time.

 

[Doctor_M]

Ugh.

 

[danb]

HB4 passed second read with one additional amendment. I'm sure there are other amendments floating around, but they may be held back for the right time.

the amendment is a little puzzling... something about not needing to deliver the rifle in person. very strange. I need to see third reader.

 

[PowPow]

the amendment is a little puzzling... something about not needing to deliver the rifle in person. very strange. I need to see third reader.

The issue was debated on the floor yesterday due to an amendment offered by Del. Mautz. His amendment attempted to fix an issue where some people might not actually be able to meet at the licensee (FFL/dealer) while the transferee undergoes the background check. Example given was a disabled person.It eventually stopped the debate.

He withdrew his amendment this morning when they came back with a fix.

This won't be the last fix.

 

[PowPow]

the amendment is a little puzzling... something about not needing to deliver the rifle in person. very strange. I need to see third reader.

The third reader text is up.

 

[danb]

The issue was debated on the floor yesterday due to an amendment offered by Del. Mautz. His amendment attempted to fix an issue where some people might not actually be able to meet at the licensee (FFL/dealer) while the transferee undergoes the background check. Example given was a disabled person.It eventually stopped the debate.

He withdrew his amendment this morning when they came back with a fix.

This won't be the last fix.

yeah, thats the ticket. A disability. A firearms disability.

 

[rockstarr]

I just don't get how they somehow think this is enforceable in the slightest bit, or even possible with the current nics system...

 

[Mark75H]

yeah, thats the ticket. A disability. A firearms disability.

If I carry a gun can I park in the handicap space?

 

[pcfixer]

None of this is enforceable