Hawaii/FBI Gun Owner Registry

[BeoBill]

Hawaii could be first to put gun owners in federal database
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/0579...ould-be-first-put-gun-owners-federal-database

HONOLULU (AP) — Hawaii could become the first state in the United States to enter gun owners into an FBI database that will automatically notify police if an island resident is arrested anywhere else in the country.

Most people entered in the "Rap Back" database elsewhere in the U.S. are those in "positions of trust," such as school teachers and bus drivers, said Stephen Fischer of the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division. Hawaii could be the first state to add gun owners.

 

[EL1227]

Considering that al-Hawaii (as Mr H calls him) plans on 'retiring' there, it's probably for his own safety ...

<dripping with>

 

[Hixster]

I could be wrong, but I thought by law there could not be a federal database of gun owners?

 

[Rab1515]

I could be wrong, but I thought by law there could not be a federal database of gun owners?

But this is a STATE database (that we hand over to the feds to do what ever they want).

 

[K31]

But this is a STATE database (that we hand over to the feds to do what ever they want).

A distinction without a difference.

 

[EL1227]

I could be wrong, but I thought by law there could not be a federal database of gun owners?

Correct, but there's a "federal database of gun owners" loophole that needs to be closed and that's being held hostage until we agree on closing the "gun show loophole".

 

[Rab1515]

A distinction without a difference.

But it none the less gives activist judges an excuse to up hold it.

 

[rbird7282]

MD has a database....


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[fred333]

Boiling frogs.

 

[wolfwood]

How does this not violate the Firearms Owners Protection Act?

 

[zoostation]

How does this not violate the Firearms Owners Protection Act?

I'm still trying to figure how Maryland's "voluntary registration" that you are required to do doesn't violate it.

 

[Mike]

I'm still trying to figure how Maryland's "voluntary registration" that you are required to do doesn't violate it.

There is no such thing

http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=233963&postcount=10

 

[Hixster]

But this is a STATE database (that we hand over to the feds to do what ever they want).

Thank You!

 

[Threeband]

Maryland uses the same Form 77r for two different purposes. The main purpose is to conduct a transfer of ownership between two people. This background check and waiting period is not voluntary. A record of the transfer is kept in a database. Over the years, more and more handguns, but not all, are registered in that database.

The second purpose of the Form 77r is to allow an individual to enter their handgun into the database if they wish to do so. This is a truly voluntary registration, and really is a different operation than the transfer of ownership.

One form, two purposes. Think of the money they're saving.

The same form 77r is used for two separate purposes.

Of course it's used when the gun is being transferred, as from a seller to a buyer.
A record of the transfer goes into a Database of Transfers. That Database keeps growing, and serves to register most but not all regulated weapons.

If you move to Maryland and already own handguns, you are offered the privilege of Voluntarily entering your guns into the Database. You may do the same with Grampaw's old Luger, the one he personally captured from Rommel himself. To save paper, the same form is used for this second purpose.

In the second case, there's no change of ownership, so it's not a Record of Transfer. They have to call it something, so they call it a Voluntary Registration.





Of course, O'Malley has been gloating about the Database for years:

O'MALLEY: WE MAP THE LOCATION OF GUN OWNERS AND CCW HOLDERS HOMES!


And the new law removes the "Voluntary" part for new residents. You still don't have to "register" Rommel's Luger, though.

"Voluntary Registration" is still optional for residents who already possess legal handguns (and I suppose now-banned long guns) which were never previously entered into the Database.

That could be Grampaw's old Luger, the one he captured "from Rommel hisself." It might be a handgun a Maryland resident bought in a legal face-to-face/no paperwork sale before 1996. Perhaps someone moved here from Texas back in 2010 and now wants to get his handguns "on the books" to clarify their legality or ownership. Perhaps he got a Maryland Carry Permit and wants to carry that "unregistered" H&K P7 he bought in Houston back in '87.

In all those cases, "registration" would still be "voluntary", so it makes sense to retain that language, I suppose. Remember, the confusion comes from using the same form 77r for two separate purposes.

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[Blaster229]

Considering that al-Hawaii (as Mr H calls him) plans on 'retiring' there, it's probably for his own safety ...

<dripping with>

Staying in DC.

http://dc.curbed.com/2016/5/24/11760848/obama-kalorama-washington-dc

 

[BeoBill]

Maryland uses the same Form 77r for two different purposes. The main purpose is to conduct a transfer of ownership between two people. This background check and waiting period is not voluntary. A record of the transfer is kept in a database. Over the years, more and more handguns, but not all, are registered in that database.

The second purpose of the Form 77r is to allow an individual to enter their handgun into the database if they wish to do so. This is a truly voluntary registration, and really is a different operation than the transfer of ownership.

One form, two purposes. Think of the money they're saving.

The Stasi would be SO proud.