Gun grabbing in Boston met with resistance

[Haides]

Who gathered the guns during Katrina, LEOs or Guardsmen?

Both, but mostly LEO I believe.

 

[Mr Bear]

Both, but mostly LEO I believe.

Actually it was LEO's & the Guard with the Guard doing most of the dirty work as the LEO's were pre-occupied with the craziness in town. The Guard even hit neighborhoods that were not flooded. There's a video of them knocking down an elderly woman who was trying to give them an unloaded revolver. Fortunately she only received some bumps & bruises, but must've been scared to death.

It was a modern example of Martial Law in operation.

 

[Mooseman]

Why's he in such a hurry to die?

He is an idiot.

 

[Mooseman]

"this guy I know" ?

That just sounds too cliché.

 

[gedelea]

BOSTON - National guard units seeking to confiscate a cache of recently banned assault weapons were ambushed on April 19th by elements of a para-military extremist faction. Military and law enforcement sources estimate that 72 were killed and more than 200 injured before government forces were compelled to withdraw.

Speaking after the clash Massachusetts Governor Thomas Gage declared that the extremist faction, which was made up of local citizens, has links to the radical right-wing tax protest movement. Gage blamed the extremists for recent incidents of vandalism directed against internal revenue offices. The governor, who described the group's organizers as "criminals," issued an executive order authorizing the summary arrest of any individual who has interfered with the government's efforts to secure law and order. The military raid on the extremist arsenal followed wide-spread refusal by the local citizenry to turn over recently outlawed assault weapons.

Gage issued a ban on military-style assault weapons and ammunition earlier in the week. This decision followed a meeting in early this month between government and military leaders at which the governor authorized the forcible confiscation of illegal arms.

One government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, pointed out that "none of these people would have been killed had the extremists obeyed the law and turned over their weapons voluntarily."

Government troops initially succeeded in confiscating a large supply of outlawed weapons and ammunition. However, troops attempting to seize arms and ammunition in Lexington met with resistance from heavily-armed extremists who had been tipped off regarding the government's plans. During a tense standoff in Lexington's town park, National Guard Colonel Francis Smith, commander of the government operation, ordered the armed group to surrender and return to their homes. The impasse was broken by a single shot, which was reportedly fired by one of the right-wing extremists. Eight civilians were killed in the ensuing exchange. Ironically, the local citizenry blamed government forces rather than the extremists for the civilian deaths. Before order could be restored, armed citizens from surrounding areas had descended upon the guard units.

Colonel Smith, finding his forces overmatched by the armed mob, ordered a retreat. Governor Gage has called upon citizens to support the state/national joint task force in its effort to restore law and order. The governor also demanded the surrender of those responsible for planning and leading the attack against the government troops. Samuel Adams, Paul Revere, and John Hancock, who have been identified as "ringleaders" of the extremist faction, remain at large.

April 20, 1775

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I grabbed this from another sight as the timing seemed an amazing coincidence.

You my friend know how to create a pucker! I'm first thinking how come this isn't on the national news..lol!

Unfortunately this IMHO can happen. First - voluntary turn ins. Second- Legislation to turn off the spigot of production of guns and ammunition to reduce what is out going out the door. Third-Registration so they know who has what. Fourth-Martial law declared for some reason with mandatory turn ins. This will be coupled with news blackouts or more lies (like we have seen the past couple of months so that the wildfire doesn't start across the country.)

 

[FlatsFlite]

As a retired Guardsman, I am not offended in the least.

Technically, since the Guard answers to the Governor only, it is
'theoretically' possible the Guard could be ordered to do so in Maryland considering who the Governor is and how he believes.

Federal Troops cannot intervene due to posse comitatus.

The Coast Guard; however, is a credentialed law enforcement body and posse comitatus does not apply. So DHS and the Coasties could come to our aid, or assist the Governor, depending on who is in the White House.

The only way any of the above would come into play was if they were coming for our smart phones. In that case, there would be a second civil war. Guns, not so much.

 

[jpo183]

Actually it was LEO's & the Guard with the Guard doing most of the dirty work as the LEO's were pre-occupied with the craziness in town. The Guard even hit neighborhoods that were not flooded. There's a video of them knocking down an elderly woman who was trying to give them an unloaded revolver. Fortunately she only received some bumps & bruises, but must've been scared to death.

It was a modern example of Martial Law in operation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tta1qhQZWSE

 

[pbharvey]

The only way any of the above would come into play was if they were coming for our smart phones. In that case, there would be a second civil war. Guns, not so much.

They'll never get all my smart phones.

 

[obnoxious2]

Funny our founding fathers were also labeled "right wing extremists".

 

[Half-cocked]

People who say "there's no way our boys would ever participate in gun confiscation" need to be beaten over the head with a large stick with the word "Katrina" written down the side.

"Our boys" have, over the past 150 years or so, shot at and killed their fellow countrymen by the hundreds of thousands (Civil War), rounded up and slaughtered Indians, fired on veterans protesting over benefits, fired on striking workers, rounded up Japanese-American citizens and put them in internment camps, committed inexcusable war crimes against Vietnamese and Iraqi civilians, and many other acts of barbarism and cruelty. Sure, we're nowhere near as bad as many other nations, but the plain truth is ANY TIME you put guns in the hands of young men, and politicians in charge of those young men, you WILL see atrocities committed to varying degrees. And all these episodes are PERFECT EXAMPLES of why governments should NEVER have an exclusive monopoly on armed force, and why the 2nd Amendment is still one hell of a good idea.

 

[stu929]

They'll never get all my smart phones.

I have an extended battery!







Any a belt clip thingy that folds up!

 

[jrumann59]

People who say "there's no way our boys would ever participate in gun confiscation" need to be beaten over the head with a large stick with the word "Katrina" written down the side.

"Our boys" have, over the past 150 years or so, shot at and killed their fellow countrymen by the hundreds of thousands (Civil War), rounded up and slaughtered Indians, fired on veterans protesting over benefits, fired on striking workers, rounded up Japanese-American citizens and put them in internment camps, committed inexcusable war crimes against Vietnamese and Iraqi civilians, and many other acts of barbarism and cruelty. Sure, we're nowhere near as bad as many other nations, but the plain truth is ANY TIME you put guns in the hands of young men, and politicians in charge of those young men, you WILL see atrocities committed to varying degrees. And all these episodes are PERFECT EXAMPLES of why governments should NEVER have an exclusive monopoly on armed force, and why the 2nd Amendment is still one hell of a good idea.

Wow why throw few under the bus when you can throw all of military/leo under also.

 

[Fishguy]

In this story, the reader has the benefit of a third person omniscient narrator. The reader also knows how the story unfolds and what later happened, so in this story the good guys and the bad guys are clearly delineated.

When it happens for real, the police and the Guardsman who are sent to confiscate guns will not have a third person omniscient narrator giving them all of the facts. They will be told that they are conducting a manhunt for "right wing extremist militants who have murdered innocent children and are armed and dangerous." The non-existent media will parrot whatever the powers that be tell them.

The common Guardsman a police officer won the street will not be privy to enough information to make a decision to disobey unlawful orders.

The real facts, if they were ever to come out, would come out too late after the damage would have been done.

The politicians who would have us disarmed are not stupid. The folks sent to do the disarming, while good intentioned, would be kept in the dark and intentionally manipulated to do things they would otherwise refuse to do on moral grounds.
Sent from your conscience.

 

[rotag]

Cleverly done.

 

[haoleboy]

Wow why throw few under the bus when you can throw all of military/leo under also.

Please post a picture of yourself in your LEO uniform so that everyone knows who you are when you're on the first team to go out and confiscate weapons.

 

[jrumann59]

Please post a picture of yourself in your LEO uniform so that everyone knows who you are when you're on the first team to go out and confiscate weapons.

LOL, never been a civilian LEO, was a .mil LEO. When you make broad sweeping generalizations about a group IMHO you are no different than ANTIS that do the same thing. Are some LEOs and .mil pricks, bet your ass but the majority are no different than the reasonable non-tinfoil wearing folks on this board or other boards.

 

[Docster]

As a retired Guardsman, I am not offended in the least.

Technically, since the Guard answers to the Governor only, it is
'theoretically' possible the Guard could be ordered to do so in Maryland considering who the Governor is and how he believes.

Federal Troops cannot intervene due to posse comitatus.

The Coast Guard; however, is a credentialed law enforcement body and posse comitatus does not apply. So DHS and the Coasties could come to our aid, or assist the Governor, depending on who is in the White House.

The only way any of the above would come into play was if they were coming for our smart phones. In that case, there would be a second civil war. Guns, not so much.

I can also speak as retired Guard/Reserve with13 yrs AD. Aside from the technical points of who the Guard answers to, if called up the Guard will do as they're told, at least initially. Training is to obey orders, not think. Same with AD & Reservists. Only after things have developed will some come under the influence of the Oathkeepers and others like that. IMHO

 

[dist1646]

A quick look at what happened to the Bonus March after WW1 should educate us on what the military would or would not do. I think DHS would be first in line though.

 

[pbharvey]

the Bonus March after WW1

Well I learned something today. Thanks.
Bonus march

 

[dist1646]

Well I learned something today. Thanks.
Bonus march

Patton was involved also though the article does not say anything about it.