Gilbert's newest idiocy

[AlBeight]

I'm a member of the IWLA too, but I can't bring students. I'm going to start to go to Cindy's (the former On Target, whose owners and employees were also apparently trained in customer dis-service).

Do you have to kick a fee back to them for them allowing you to conduct your business on their premises? Many ranges I’ve been to do not allow outside professional instruction on their ranges. If that answer is no, then you should cut them some (or maybe a lot) of slack.

 

[MaxVO2]

Yup. I know the rule.

****It's conduct rule #18 in the SOP at IWLA-WAC. They have their own instructors there - some of which do CrossFit, wear skinny jeans and ridiculously tight shirts. The other instructors are ok too, but don't look like they could do even one muscle up, or a decent amrap set of burpees followed by 10% bodyweight kettle bell swings.

They can shoot well at least, as well as teach - which is arguably more practical on a shooting range than CrossFit moves... Hmm...

 

[outrider58]

****It's conduct rule #18 in the SOP at IWLA-WAC. They have their own instructors there - some of which do CrossFit, wear skinny jeans and ridiculously tight shirts. The other instructors are ok too, but don't look like they could do even one muscle up, or a decent amrap set of burpees followed by 10% bodyweight kettle bell swings.

They can shoot well at least, as well as teach - which is arguably more practical on a shooting range than CrossFit moves... Hmm...

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Wonder who that might be. Thought I knew most of the instructors...

 

[JohnnyE]

You’re old enough to have been exposed to lots of antiquities… ;-)

But not young enough to remember all of them.

Aging ain’t for sissies. Rock on!

Rotary dial phones, pay phones and phone booths, vacuum tube radios and TV's, the indian test pattern when TV stations went off the air every night, heck, each broadcast day starting and concluding with the Star Spangled Banner, vehicles with manual chokes and no A/C but with no-draft windows and manually operated floor vents, ovens and ranges with standing pilot lights, the list goes on and on.

 

[Alea Jacta Est]

Rotary dial phones, pay phones and phone booths, vacuum tube radios and TV's, the indian test pattern when TV stations went off the air every night, heck, each broadcast day starting and concluding with the Star Spangled Banner, vehicles with manual chokes and no A/C but with no-draft windows and manually operated floor vents, ovens and ranges with standing pilot lights, the list goes on and on.

Better than my own memory…wow.

 

[LuckyShot]

i only went to gilberts once a month to practice pistols. I became an AGC member after gilberts raised their fee to 30$ like 6-8months ago and I gladly drive to shoot at AGC just to finally have a place i can enjoy shooting rifles as well.

I would be asked every time why dont i join their membership. I guess they dont expect anyone to do simple math but thats saving $1-$2 per month. I dont buy overpriced ammo, even their discounted member price is still more than online.

 

[outrider58]

Rotary dial phones, pay phones and phone booths, vacuum tube radios and TV's, the indian test pattern when TV stations went off the air every night, heck, each broadcast day starting and concluding with the Star Spangled Banner, vehicles with manual chokes and no A/C but with no-draft windows and manually operated floor vents, ovens and ranges with standing pilot lights, the list goes on and on.

...whole house attic fans, five digit phone numbers, home delivered dairy products(including donuts), burn barrels in the back yard, standard transmission school busses...

 

[JohnnyE]

...whole house attic fans, five digit phone numbers, home delivered dairy products(including donuts), burn barrels in the back yard, standard transmission school busses...

I experienced all except the digit phone numbers. The first three digits of my childhood number were 251, though it was called Alpine 1, for AL1... I did see the remnants of a family friend's party line. The insulators were still nailed into the trees along their property.

 

[RFBfromDE]

...whole house attic fans, five digit phone numbers, home delivered dairy products(including donuts), burn barrels in the back yard, standard transmission school busses...

I experienced all except the digit phone numbers. The first three digits of my childhood number were 251, though it was called Alpine 1, for AL1... I did see the remnants of a family friend's party line. The insulators were still nailed into the trees along their property.

We had a Dootie Diaper truck pick up and drop off diapers where I lived.

Damn disposable diapers! Worse than plastic cola bottles!

 

[JohnnyE]

We had a Dootie Diaper truck pick up and drop off diapers where I lived.

Damn disposable diapers! Worse than plastic cola bottles!

Oh, yeah, diaper services. I remember those now, and I'll raise you a Good Humor truck!

 

[lazarus]

No, no, no! Then you'll have to rent floor space. I also asked if there was a fee for breathing while in the store. At least that was a hard no.

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[Biggfoot44]

I experienced all except the digit phone numbers.

Even when I was young , we had 7 digit phone number . But it was a " Semi Party Line " .

You couldn't overhear the other party's. But if the neighbor was using the phone , when you picked up your phone you'd get a busy signal instead of a dial tone .

 

[shrinkwrap]

Do you have to kick a fee back to them for them allowing you to conduct your business on their premises? Many ranges I’ve been to do not allow outside professional instruction on their ranges. If that answer is no, then you should cut them some (or maybe a lot) of slack.

I have to respectfully disagree. I am paying a significant amount for my own membership, as well as bringing in students who are exposed to the range (for better or worse) and who who pay a ridiculous fee for just a few minutes, plus the cost of ammo (as previously posted, about $50). Some of them also join on their own after I bring them there. Unless the range wants to give me a percentage of the fees paid by members I bring in, or pay some of my operating expenses, the fees paid cover the time on the range. If I want a partner, I'll look for one.

BTW, several weeks ago Gilbert's stopped allowing outside instruction, with no notice to members. I found out when I met with 3 students to complete the course of fire and we all had to leave. Quite embarrassing.

 

[AlBeight]

I have to respectfully disagree. I am paying a significant amount for my own membership, as well as bringing in students who are exposed to the range (for better or worse) and who who pay a ridiculous fee for just a few minutes, plus the cost of ammo (as previously posted, about $50). Some of them also join on their own after I bring them there. Unless the range wants to give me a percentage of the fees paid by members I bring in, or pay some of my operating expenses, the fees paid cover the time on the range. If I want a partner, I'll look for one.

BTW, several weeks ago Gilbert's stopped allowing outside instruction, with no notice to members. I found out when I met with 3 students to complete the course of fire and we all had to leave. Quite embarrassing.

You can disagree all you want, but many ranges prohibit professional instruction. That’s not my opinion, those are signs on their walls, so you can disagree with those ranges if you want.

As you said, Gilberts is now prohibiting the outside instruction. This is what I was referring to. Mabe you can strike up an agreement, as you said it will only benefit the range if they simply let it.

Maybe you can disguise your teaching as co-workers or family friends??? Best of luck, I’m sure it’s not easy to find solid range time for your classes.

 

[joppaj]

I've never been to Gilbert's, but it's definitely the closest public range for me. Having now looked at their rules and hours, I don't really see me ever darkening their doorway. WTH is up with not opening until noon?