FRS-15 Ban States "Featureless" AR

[jcbvh]

Maybe a dupe, but check this out! It actually looks pretty cool IMO.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/12/12/frs-15-california-featureless-ar-15-stock/

Always a work around.

 

[wreckdiver]

Fugly.

 

[Stratman60]

Gun Manufacturers are going to come up with something. Why not. If it works make it happen.

 

[MauiWowie]

I've seen that on CalGuns they won't sell to Maryland for some reason last I checked

 

[Skins_Brew]

I was trying to think of a way the other day to turn an AR into a rifle with a traditional stock. This thing is pretty fugly. I would really like to see someone reengineer the upper so there is no buffer tube

 

[browning guy]

Where there is a will, there is a way!

 

[jcbvh]

The uglier, more evil looking the better

Anything to piss off the libtardians.

 

[smdub]

I was wondering how long it would take to do exactly this. Looking at an older model FWB2602 thumbhole stock its seemed so simple. On that version the stock is carried by the grip. There is a little arm & bolt that attach it to the back of the receiver to make it a thumbhole but that could be done away with. (FWIW, later versions went to true pistol grips to make the grip more adjustable for angle and such.)

I've always wondered how exactly 'pistol grip' is defined by CA and others. If its a separate projection from the stock or is it defined by angle? Easy to build a stock w/o a separate projection just connect the buttstock to the bottom of the grip - sort of like the add on stocks to old lugers and browning hipowers (or the above listed fwb modification.)

 

[straightsilver3]

I was trying to think of a way the other day to turn an AR into a rifle with a traditional stock. This thing is pretty fugly. I would really like to see someone reengineer the upper so there is no buffer tube

Already out there The guy's name is Alan Zitta He started making AR pistols back in the late 80's Sold the right to some company Can't remember the name Now they make side folding AR'S GOOGLE IT He was featured in an AR book I had years ago

 

[wesser1]

You do know that the AR-15 platform is specifically banned by name under SB281, right? So there won't be a workaround to the law come Oct 1 as long as the lower is an AR-15 lower.

 

[smdub]

I would really like to see someone reengineer the upper so there is no buffer tube

Would require a completely different (shorter) BCG as it has to go somewhere as it recoils and loads the next round.

Since the 'arse end of a BCG is hollow, it could be drastically shortened and a plug added to maintain equivalent mass. The fwd assist would no longer work but thats not too big a deal. The shorter length would probably either require better tolerance of the upper or live w/ accelerated wear as it could rock/cock more as it cycled. Use something like a tungsten plug and also incorporate the buffer weight into the BCG and you could probably make it short enough to get a recoil spring fully inside the upper.

 

[smdub]

You do know that the AR-15 platform is specifically banned by name under SB281, right? So there won't be a workaround to the law come Oct 1 as long as the lower is an AR-15 lower.

Build a lower that has a stock built into it. Heck, just machine a lower out of a solid block of aluminum w/ an integrated (one-pc) buffer tube. Maybe even use a different grip attachment - maybe an integrated one that uses replaceable colt 1911 grip panels. Technically no longer an AR-15 lower. Just happens to use the same uppers Wonder how different you have to get to avoid the 'copycat' interpretation.

 

[FrankZ]

I wonder if this one has a lower lethality since it has less features.

 

[DC-W]

Reminds me of the Keltec su-16

 

[Skins_Brew]

Already out there The guy's name is Alan Zitta He started making AR pistols back in the late 80's Sold the right to some company Can't remember the name Now they make side folding AR'S GOOGLE IT He was featured in an AR book I had years ago

Thanks, I looked him up. Pretty cool stuff he has, but pricey!

Would require a completely different (shorter) BCG as it has to go somewhere as it recoils and loads the next round.

Since the 'arse end of a BCG is hollow, it could be drastically shortened and a plug added to maintain equivalent mass. The fwd assist would no longer work but thats not too big a deal. The shorter length would probably either require better tolerance of the upper or live w/ accelerated wear as it could rock/cock more as it cycled. Use something like a tungsten plug and also incorporate the buffer weight into the BCG and you could probably make it short enough to get a recoil spring fully inside the upper.

Basically, exactly what I was thinking. THat Alan Zitta guy did basically what was in my head.

 

[Mooseman]

It is "different" looking. It looks like one of those things that might grow on me after time.

 

[Hopalong]

You do know that the AR-15 platform is specifically banned by name under SB281, right? So there won't be a workaround to the law come Oct 1 as long as the lower is an AR-15 lower.

This. There's a huge opportunity to make AR-like lowers that wouldn't explicitly be banned because they're not exact copies.

Machine a billet lower with an integral receiver extension (a.k.a. buffer tube) out of the same piece of aluminum. You'd lose some flexibility because you'd have to pick rifle/carbine and milspec/commercial up front and can't change it. But you could potentially gain some strength, you'd never have to worry about your castle nut coming loose, and you'd maintain most (if not all) of your options for stocks, uppers, and grips.

Thoughts?

 

[SCARCQB]

Ugly guns are less lethal than nice looking guns.

From Liberal logic handbook 101

 

[Brooklyn]

This. There's a huge opportunity to make AR-like lowers that wouldn't explicitly be banned because they're not exact copies.

Machine a billet lower with an integral receiver extension (a.k.a. buffer tube) out of the same piece of aluminum. You'd lose some flexibility because you'd have to pick rifle/carbine and milspec/commercial up front and can't change it. But you could potentially gain some strength, you'd never have to worry about your castle nut coming loose, and you'd maintain most (if not all) of your options for stocks, uppers, and grips.

Thoughts?

Since the lower has almost no mechanism what would define it?

If it took an at upper and mag?.

Most likely we would need a new platform. But it could be just as modular I would think.

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[Hopalong]

Since the lower has almost no mechanism what would define it?

If it took an at upper and mag?.

Most likely we would need a new platform. But it could be just as modular I would think.

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I may be pulling this out of my ass, but I thought that there was a certain threshold on parts commonality. You'd be removing two parts entirely (buffer tube, end plate) and you'd have to rework the rear takedown pin detent spring (which is normally held in by the end plate).