form 1 approved/ engraving

[BusaJ52]

lets start with my form 1 was approved. now on my form 1 application in the caliber box i wrote 5.56. since i already have a lower with a serial #, model number, and a caliber of "multi" do i also need to have 5.56 engraved onto the lower as well? if so, could i submit a change to the form 1 and change 5.56 to multi instead so there is less machining getting done on my lower? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

 

[GeorgeSSR]

lets start with my form 1 was approved. now on my form 1 application in the caliber box i wrote 5.56. since i already have a lower with a serial #, model number, and a caliber of "multi" do i also need to have 5.56 engraved onto the lower as well? if so, could i submit a change to the form 1 and change 5.56 to multi instead so there is less machining getting done on my lower? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

I'm new to the SBR game but from what I've read if the barrel is stamped 5.56 then that is sufficient. If you don't feel that the barrel stamp is conspicuous then you could also get the upper engraved.

By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes:

(i) The model, if such designation has been made;

(ii) The caliber or gauge;

(iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker;

(iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the firearm; and

(v) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/479.102

 

[BusaJ52]

i submitted basically the same question to the e forms site "expert helper" the answer i received was this "Yes, the regulations require that the caliber be marked on the frame or barrel."

 

[BusaJ52]

I'm new to the SBR game but from what I've read if the barrel is stamped 5.56 then that is sufficient. If you don't feel that the barrel stamp is conspicuous then you could also get the upper engraved.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/479.102

so basically i am covered as long as 5.56 is marked on the barrel.

 

[dontpanic]

so basically i am covered as long as 5.56 is marked on the barrel.

Yes you are.

The barrel is the best place to mark caliber, you can use uppers of different calibers and meet the caliber marking requirement.

 

[BusaJ52]

so essentially the only thing i need to engrave on my lower is my trust name and the city/state.

 

[pwoolford]

so essentially the only thing i need to engrave on my lower is my trust name and the city/state.

You may not even need to do that. We debate this topic every couple months and opinions vary greatly.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/01/foghorn/do-you-need-to-engrave-your-form-1ed-sbr/

I think the idea of engraving an SBR (that you purchased and is already engraved with manufacturer make/model/sn) is ridiculous. Then again, I have lots of engraved SBR's.

 

[BusaJ52]

You may not even need to do that. We debate this topic every couple months and opinions vary greatly.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/01/foghorn/do-you-need-to-engrave-your-form-1ed-sbr/

I think the idea of engraving an SBR (that you purchased and is already engraved with manufacturer make/model/sn) is ridiculous. Then again, I have lots of engraved SBR's.

I would certainly love not having to engrave my quality lower. Then again I would most certainly love more to be in compliance with any law muddy or not. Just to be safe.

 

[vgplayer]

Should you mark your Form 1 NFA item? - The Legal Brief!

Video on the matter.

 

[outrider58]

If you choose not to engrave, I would recommend(not required) you keep a copy of your Form 1 with you when you have the NFA item outside your house. I keep copies of all my stamps in my range bag and cell phone. It's not required as I said, but it can easily help resolve any questions an official might have in a given situation.

 

[Casey]

where are folks getting their engraving done ??

 

[MacGuns]

where are folks getting their engraving done ??

Several IP's can do the engraving. I had Engage do several of my lowers. I know that United in Rockville also does engraving.

 

[outrider58]

where are folks getting their engraving done ??

Engage Armament or United Gun Shop Both in Rockville if you're anywhere close to there.

 

[BusaJ52]

what i'm most concerned about is the box on the form 1 asking the caliber. Does entering 5.56 on my app limit my sbr to being a 5.56 or can i run different caliber barrels on my lower so long as the barrel is marked with the caliber i am currently shooting. Like any lower purchased nowadays its already engraved multi. I do plan on carrying copies of my approval form with the sbr. I'm planning on using united.

 

[Pitbull410]

I was told by an industry partner here when I bought my reciever(which is not marked at all for caliber) that when I sbr'ed it I didn't need to engrave the caliber, just my name or trust and city/state. However being as how your form 1 engraving can be on the barrel, having a barrel marked with the caliber would also give me more piece of mind.

 

[Pitbull410]

what i'm most concerned about is the box on the form 1 asking the caliber. Does entering 5.56 on my app limit my sbr to being a 5.56 or can i run different caliber barrels on my lower so long as the barrel is marked with the caliber i am currently shooting. Like any lower purchased nowadays its already engraved multi. I do plan on carrying copies of my approval form with the sbr. I'm planning on using united.

I believe You can change barrels/uppers temporarily afterwards but I believe you need to be able to put it back to caliber is registered at .

This is my understanding Ive come to from researching and reading over the web the past few months

 

[BusaJ52]

I believe You can change barrels/uppers temporarily afterwards but I believe you need to be able to put it back to caliber is registered at .

This is my understanding Ive come to from researching and reading over the web the past few months

i have also seen that. Anything not permanent is ok as long as i can convert back to my original sbr format.

 

[BusaJ52]

What is temporary in that aspect a week, month, or a year? Though i dont plan on switching it up on the calibers.

 

[pwoolford]

What is temporary in that aspect a week, month, or a year? Though i dont plan on switching it up on the calibers.

Why not? That is part of the beauty of the AR. I would just make sure to keep the upper you based your form 1 on. 5.56 is fun but 300BO is fun too...so is 9mm, .22 etc.

 

[BusaJ52]

Why not? That is part of the beauty of the AR. I would just make sure to keep the upper you based your form 1 on. 5.56 is fun but 300BO is fun too...so is 9mm, .22 etc.

i have a 16" aac blkout. thought about building a 300 pistol with the addition of a suppressor. i have been thinking 9mm here and there.