For those of you still supporting Larry Hogan for governor...

[Stoveman]

At some point Maryland gun owners need to take a stand against gun grabbers and let the MDGOP know that the candidates they keep spoon feeding us are sh!t and you won't vote for them anymore. I LOVE the work that the Patriot Picket does and I've donated money to the cause, but what good does it really do to protest one day and then trip over each other rushing to the polls to vote for a gun grabber who disavows the NRA and it's members? I don't get it.




Those of you who think that Jealous will win if you don't vote for Hogan are delusional. No race in my lifetime has been that close. If 2,000 MDS members write in "NO GUN GRABBERS" instead of voting for Hogan, you will not sway the election one way or the other. You will however, send a strong message to the MDGOP.

Yes you have and thank you. Up until this legislative session there has been no reason to protest against Hogan. However, thanks to you and others, we have plenty of paint and sign boards and we happen to know where he lives. I'd rather hold Larry's feet to the fire with an intact wallet than spend my time prepping the house to sell.

 

[CrazySanMan]

It may not be on the ballot, but it damn sure is in the platform of BJ. Sugar coat it all you want, but any vote that benefits BJ (in this case a vote not for Hogan) is a vote for that 50% increase.


I sincerely hope that many, if not most of the principle posturing against Hogan folks will actually pull the lever for Hogan when the time comes.

To think, even for a moment, that the GOP organizers are clever enough to realize that we need a REAL Republican/conservative, and that they'll be able to come up with an ELECTABLE candidate is wishful thinking at best, and just not going to happen in reality. Not in Maryland. Not in our lifetimes. Those days are over.

That's it then. It's over. Throw in the towel and move. Maryland is a lost cause, not worth fighting for anymore.

I don't buy that, not one bit.

Look at the numbers in my post above with the results of every election since 1974. I see a HUGE D majority in the 70's, and it's whittled down more and more as time goes on. Looking at those vote totals, Maryland is becoming more red since the 70's. The number of R's in the MGA has been slowly increasing as well. There is hope!

 

[Seagrave1963]

Look at the numbers in my post above with the results of every election since 1974. I see a HUGE D majority in the 70's, and it's whittled down more and more as time goes on. Looking at those vote totals, Maryland is becoming more red since the 70's. The number of R's in the MGA has been slowly increasing as well. There is hope!

Hogan for 4 more years is merely another small step forward instead of 200 steps backward with Jealous. I'll be voting for Hogan (again). It is your vote, do with it as you may (not meant directly to CrazySanMan)

 

[Mr.Blue]

Short of revolution, I don’t see how we can stop the national movement to the globalist left. It has been going on since the end of WWII. Today, JFK would be considered a Conservative. The Demographic trends in our nation tell me that our Constitutional Republic will be lost in the not too distant future. I owe it to my daughter to slow the shift left as much as I can. I will hold my nose and vote Hogan.

 

[Jim12]

If our gullible society hadn't turned over its children to the Left to be indoctrinated, we wouldn't be in the jam we're in.

 

[Occam]

Maryland gun owners need to take a stand against gun grabbers and let the MDGOP know...

This sort of purist myopia is the problem, here. What on earth makes you think that the state's GOP people aren't keenly aware of both their electoral prospects and the thoughts of their members? To read the never-Hogan types here, one might think that the 2A is the only thing the GOP is or should be about. That's exactly how the GOP loses traction. When people act like the GOP should be entirely about, say, evangelical politics or about hating the federal reserve or about [pick one ... but only one thing], then we come across exactly like the liberals who are obsessed with whatever one thing they fixate on (open borders, or snail darters, or hating rich people who aren't on their side, etc).

The number of 2A purists in the ranks of what passes for a GOP chapter in this state is only a small portion. The rest are worried about things like a hostile regulatory environment for small businesses, empire-building agency heads, utterly incestuous ties between public employee unions and liberal legislators/council members and the like. The one-note 2A fetishists who are completely unable to see the liberal forest for those trees are operating under the delusion that the state's GOP members haven't already researched and understood all of this. Any chance they have to mitigate the ugly nightmare of liberal rule in this state depends upon actually getting some GOP candidates elected.

The same people who are suggesting we throw away our votes on unelectable candidates are calling for the GOP to embrace a one-topic position that makes the party unelectable across the board. Get it through your head: MOST OF THE VOTERS IN THIS STATE ARE PERMANENT DEMOCRATS AND THAT TREND IS ONLY GOING ONE WAY - WORSE. Do you really think that the conservative candidates will have a BETTER chance of clinging to a few modest seats of power in Maryland if they go out of their way to trumpet a position that we all know will guarantee election losses, especially in state-wide races and in purple-ish districts?

"Sending the GOP a message" that they need to make choices guaranteed to reduce the GOP's presence in state government is just more of the same suicide pact. Our only hope on Maryland 2A matters is in the courts, and the only way to get there without too many casualties in the meantime is to attempt to keep a non-rabid-gun-grabber out of the governor's mansion. Anyone not seeing the reality of this is actively, deliberately working to undermine gun owners in Maryland, seeking to do them irreversible damage before we can take advantage of a reborn SCOTUS.

 

[CrazySanMan]

Short of revolution, I don’t see how we can stop the national movement to the globalist left. It has been going on since the end of WWII. Today, JFK would be considered a Conservative. The Demographic trends in our nation tell me that our Constitutional Republic will be lost in the not too distant future. I owe it to my daughter to slow the shift left as much as I can. I will hold my nose and vote Hogan.

If you really believe that the Constitutional Republic will be lost in the not too distant future that makes the 2A even more important today. Voting for Hogan won't help you in Maryland if/when that revolution occurs and you have already been disarmed by incremental gun control that he and others signed into law.

 

[CrazySanMan]

If our gullible society hadn't turned over its children to the Left to be indoctrinated, we wouldn't be in the jam we're in.

On this, we agree.

 

[44man]

Think of it this way. IF Hogan does what you are saying he MIGHT do at least you won't be paying 50% more in taxes while leisurely planning your exit. If Jealousy is sleeping in the .guv's mansion next January you and yours will need to vacate by 10/1/19.

That’s how I am getting thru this

 

[Occam]

Choosing the lesser of two evils has gotten you a governor who passed pro-gun legislation?

The governor can't pass non-existent legislation. Do you understand how this even works?

On the other hand, choosing the least of several evils DID get us Gorsuch (and shortly, Kavanaugh) on the Supreme Court. And it's in that venue that Maryland's gun law/policy woes will eventually be straightened out. In the meantime, why do you want to cut open an artery while we're trying to control the bleeding from a lesser wound?

 

[esqappellate]

Can the Gov's budget pass without the MGA's approval?

Sorry, I didn't know the MGA couldn't add to the budget.
So that being the case, couldn't the MGA just tell the Gov what they want in the next budget, or they will never approve what is submitted to them??

I'd rather spend my time trying to help overturn the D's veto proof majority. That way, it won't matter who lives in the Gov's mansion.

The MD Constitution requires legislative approval of the budget, but gives the Gov. the power to extend the session ad infinitum until it does. In that game, the Gov. wins every time. As to restoring balance to the GA, now, THAT would have an impact. A big one.

 

[Biggfoot44]

If the GOP plan for sucuess is to make their views 100% matching the platforms of the Dem party , it doesn't even rise to the level of Phryric .

 

[CrazySanMan]

Anyone not seeing the reality of this is actively, deliberately working to undermine gun owners in Maryland, seeking to do them irreversible damage before we can take advantage of a reborn SCOTUS.

That's your plan for Maryland gun rights? Give up and scream for the government (SCOTUS) to help you?

 

[44man]

If our gullible society hadn't turned over its children to the Left to be indoctrinated, we wouldn't be in the jam we're in.

And if hogan had been a Better governor we wouldn’t be having these threads over and over again

 

[DC-W]

 

[Occam]

That's your plan for Maryland gun rights? Give up and scream for the government (SCOTUS) to help you?

No, that's not my plan, that's reality. For example, I don't have to plan on having gravity to deal with today, because it's there whether I like it or not.

But unlike you, I recognize that having Hogan in place instead of the aggressively anti-gun socialist, is an at least slightly better situation as the inevitable litigation grinds along. I'm not willing to "teach Hogan a lesson" by putting a socialist and aggressive gun grabber in place as the state's chief executive in the meantime - because the damage will be swifter and far worse.

 

[Mr.Blue]

This sort of purist myopia is the problem, here. What on earth makes you think that the state's GOP people aren't keenly aware of both their electoral prospects and the thoughts of their members? To read the never-Hogan types here, one might think that the 2A is the only thing the GOP is or should be about. That's exactly how the GOP loses traction. When people act like the GOP should be entirely about, say, evangelical politics or about hating the federal reserve or about [pick one ... but only one thing], then we come across exactly like the liberals who are obsessed with whatever one thing they fixate on (open borders, or snail darters, or hating rich people who aren't on their side, etc).

The number of 2A purists in the ranks of what passes for a GOP chapter in this state is only a small portion. The rest are worried about things like a hostile regulatory environment for small businesses, empire-building agency heads, utterly incestuous ties between public employee unions and liberal legislators/council members and the like. The one-note 2A fetishists who are completely unable to see the liberal forest for those trees are operating under the delusion that the state's GOP members haven't already researched and understood all of this. Any chance they have to mitigate the ugly nightmare of liberal rule in this state depends upon actually getting some GOP candidates elected.

The same people who are suggesting we throw away our votes on unelectable candidates are calling for the GOP to embrace a one-topic position that makes the party unelectable across the board. Get it through your head: MOST OF THE VOTERS IN THIS STATE ARE PERMANENT DEMOCRATS AND THAT TREND IS ONLY GOING ONE WAY - WORSE. Do you really think that the conservative candidates will have a BETTER chance of clinging to a few modest seats of power in Maryland if they go out of their way to trumpet a position that we all know will guarantee election losses, especially in state-wide races and in purple-ish districts?

"Sending the GOP a message" that they need to make choices guaranteed to reduce the GOP's presence in state government is just more of the same suicide pact. Our only hope on Maryland 2A matters is in the courts, and the only way to get there without too many casualties in the meantime is to attempt to keep a non-rabid-gun-grabber out of the governor's mansion. Anyone not seeing the reality of this is actively, deliberately working to undermine gun owners in Maryland, seeking to do them irreversible damage before we can take advantage of a reborn SCOTUS.

Great post! One of the best that I’ve read on this Forum!

 

[44man]

If the GOP plan for sucuess is to make their views 100% matching the platforms of the Dem party , it doesn't even rise to the level of Phryric .

That’s EXACTLY the gop’s top secret plan.

What was I told? Oh yes, we, the gop, need every minivan driving Democrat soccer mom on our side voting for us and to get that we need to mimic the dems agenda

Crazy shit ain’t it?

That was part of the excuse of a traitorous republican delegate for stabbing us in the back down here and I was told on MDs almost the same thing a couple days before

Voting with the dems on gun control for gun control in order to fight gun control after new gun control laws are in place

 

[CrazySanMan]

No, that's not my plan, that's reality. For example, I don't have to plan on having gravity to deal with today, because it's there whether I like it or not.

But unlike you, I recognize that having Hogan in place instead of the aggressively anti-gun socialist, is an at least slightly better situation as the inevitable litigation grinds along. I'm not willing to "teach Hogan a lesson" by putting a socialist and aggressive gun grabber in place as the state's chief executive in the meantime - because the damage will be swifter and far worse.

Look at the vote total numbers I posted previously. 2,000 votes will not swing the election one way or the other.

 

[Bullfrog]

No, that's not my plan, that's reality. For example, I don't have to plan on having gravity to deal with today, because it's there whether I like it or not.

But unlike you, I recognize that having Hogan in place instead of the aggressively anti-gun socialist, is an at least slightly better situation as the inevitable litigation grinds along. I'm not willing to "teach Hogan a lesson" by putting a socialist and aggressive gun grabber in place as the state's chief executive in the meantime - because the damage will be swifter and far worse.

The time for protest votes and sending messages is in the primary. When I voted, I deliberately left the line for gov unmarked. If there had been an alternative I would have taken it. I don't know if a write in was an option in the primary... I don't recall seeing a place for that. I should have researched that and had one prepared ahead of time.

However... in a race between a Rino and a hardcore socialist, if you choose to make a protest by not voting for the Rino, you're basically throwing a half vote to the socialist.

No, Hogan did not stand uo against the mga like he should have, but he didn't stand up in front of the media cheerleading for more and more either. You can bet BJ will be, and he'll be raping your paycheck to buy more votes at the same time.