Federal 20% tax on “assault weapon and high capacity magazine” manufacturers income and other fed legislation

[LeadSled1]

Looks like they may be trying to back door it through the Pittman Robertson act via modification?

Also requires firearm manufacturers to build a system to record and analyze when their firearms are misused in crimes.

Assault weapon manufacturers would see 20% tax under proposed legislation

After a three-month-long investigation into the gun manufacturing industry in the wake of a string of mass shootings this year, House Oversight Committee Chairwoman Carolyn Maloney, D-N.Y., is introducing two pieces of legislation targeting the manufacturers of assault weapons. The proposed...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Johnny5k]

Last I heard they wanted 1000%. I guess we should be thankful??

A House Democrat plans to introduce a bill that would hit AR-15s with a 1,000% tax — and it could pass Congress without GOP votes

A string of mass shootings in New York, Texas, and Oklahoma is causing Rep. Don Beyer to seek an aggressive tax on AR-15-style weapons.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[LeadSled1]

Even if you only make magazines they want to tax your entire company profits 20%. Magpul and other companies that don’t even make firearms fall under this.

 

[Alea Jacta Est]

They know not shame. They only know evil and destruction. They operate with a degree of impunity that is neither fair nor reasonable...

 

[Afrikeber]

Do 3D printers have the capability to
Make these mags?

 

[davsco]

yep, hit people and manufacturers and sellers in their pocketbooks. that's definitely one (well, three) ways to have back door gun control.

 

[smokey]

Domestic enemies gunna do what they do.

 

[teratos]

Do 3D printers have the capability to
Make these mags?

Indeed they do.

 

[Allen65]

Do 3D printers have the capability to
Make these mags?

Yes, but consumer FDM or SLA machines wouldn't make very robust or reliable ones. IIRC PMAGs are injection-molded, filled Nylon, which has mechanical properties much stronger than non-filled, layer-fused FDM material (even if it's a Nylon resin). And I don't know of any SLA resin that isn't either too brittle or to low a durometer to form a magazine that will hold up to the forces of even normal use. Feed lips and catches would probably fail very quickly.

And then there's reliability. For real PMAGs, the injection molds are designed and precision ground to account for shrinkage and geometry changes from the resulting stresses as the plastic cools, resulting in a room-temperature mag with dimensions that are within proper tolerance to function reliably. Unless you compensated for coefficient of thermal expansion when you created the 3D model of the mag, the overall dimensions will be off, as would feed lip geometry. You'd also have to do something to fix the surface roughness on the interior of an FDM-printed mag so the follower doesn't get hung up.

If I had to use a home 3D printer to make mags, I'd probably use the printer to make a plug and mold set to fabricate mags and followers out of carbon fiber cloth and epoxy. There are Soviet-era bakelite/fiberglass mags for AKs, so the basic concept is sound. But even those have some metal components, like the forward catch, that would have to be machined from aluminum or steel if you wanted them to hold up in use.
See: https://otbfirearms.com/russian-30-round-bakelite-ak-47-magazine-7-62x39-tula/


Now, if you have $750k or so lying around under the couch cushions, one of these AM systems would crank out all the precision mags you could ever use: https://www.eos.info/en/industrial-...facturing-how-it-works/dmls-metal-3d-printing
Of course, it could print out the gun, too, including the barrel.

 

[jrumann59]

Yes, but consumer FDM or SLA machines wouldn't make very robust or reliable ones. IIRC PMAGs are injection-molded, filled Nylon, which has mechanical properties much stronger than non-filled FDM material (even if it's a Nylon resin). And I don't know of any SLA resin that isn't either too brittle or to low a durometer to form a magazine that will hold up to the forces of even normal use. Feed lips and catches would probably fail very quickly.

And then there's reliability. For real PMAGs, the injection molds are designed and precision ground to account for shrinkage and geometry changes from the resulting stresses as the plastic cools, resulting in a room-temperature mag with dimensions that are within proper tolerance to function reliably. Unless you compensated for coefficient of thermal expansion when you created the 3D model of the mag, the overall dimensions will be off, as would feed lip geometry. You'd also have to do something to fix the surface roughness on the interior of an FDM-printed mag so the follower doesn't get hung up.

If I had to use a home 3D printer to make mags, I'd probably use the printer to make a plug and mold set to fabricate mags and followers out of carbon fiber cloth and epoxy. There are Soviet-era bakelite/fiberglass mags for AKs, so the basic concept is sound. But even those have some metal components, like the forward catch, that would have to be machined from aluminum or steel if you wanted them to hold up in use.
See: https://otbfirearms.com/russian-30-round-bakelite-ak-47-magazine-7-62x39-tula/


Now, if you have $750k or so lying around under the couch cushions, one of these AM systems would crank out all the precision mags you could ever use: https://www.eos.info/en/industrial-...facturing-how-it-works/dmls-metal-3d-printing
Of course, it could print out the gun, too, including the barrel.

The trick would be make say a 40 round one and partially fill it, or 100 round and partially fill it. I think once you remove most of the load tension a printed one will "work"

 

[Allen65]

The trick would be make say a 40 round one and partially fill it, or 100 round and partially fill it. I think once you remove most of the load tension a printed one will "work"

I'd be most worried about the catch. That's a lot of stress concentrated on a very small surface. And no matter how lightly you loaded it, the cyclical stresses on the feed lips are worrisome.

 

[Afrikeber]

Where there is a will there us a way, American ingenuity.

 

[mauser58]

They are totally out of control. They can go eat sh*t. Tired of the Dems pushing and pushing wrongful bills on us.

 

[Growler215]

No chance of becoming law with current Senate. Just another pointless Lib publicity stunt.

 

[Bullfrog]

No chance of becoming law with current Senate. Just another pointless Lib publicity stunt.

Maybe not.

Unlike the assault ban that has no hope of getting the required 60% of votes, this is a tax proposal.

Budgetary bills only need a majority, not a supermajority. 51% instead of 60%. VP would be able to break a 50/50 tie.

If passed as a funding or revenue measure or amendment to a budgetary bill there may be a risk of them being able to pass something.

 

[lazarus]

Maybe not.

Unlike the assault ban that has no hope of getting the required 60% of votes, this is a tax proposal.

Budgetary bills only need a majority, not a supermajority. 51% instead of 60%. VP would be able to break a 50/50 tie.

If passed as a funding or revenue measure or amendment to a budgetary bill there may be a risk of them being able to pass something.

Unlikely still with the current senate. Several democrats in the senate were a big no on a renewed AWB. Now they might be able to get sweet talked in to just taxing the things a bunch more. But I don’t see it playing well to their voters in those states.

Now if the Dems pick up 3 or 4 seats in November it probably stands a good chance.

 

[teratos]

Unlikely still with the current senate. Several democrats in the senate were a big no on a renewed AWB. Now they might be able to get sweet talked in to just taxing the things a bunch more. But I don’t see it playing well to their voters in those states.

Now if the Dems pick up 3 or 4 seats in November it probably stands a good chance.

You got a friend…

 

[offthepaper]

Stunning how our elected politicians totally ignore the "shall not be infringed " part of the Constitution.
If they feel that way, they gotta go.