Emily Miller: Shell Casing Law "Jettisoned"

[HT4]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/21/backdoor-gun-ban/

Did I miss something big, or did Emily get it wrong? She reports:

Maryland, New York and the District required ballistics testing on spent casings for each gun sold - until they realized it was extremely costly and didn’t actually solve any crimes. Each of these jurisdictions recently jettisoned the testing requirement.

 

[ffemtreed]

The program is stopped but the law never changed to stop requiring the spent shells.

MSP doesn't do anything with them other than throw them in a barrel and forget about them.

All the funding for the program has been cut off.

 

[teratos]

The program is stopped but the law never changed to stop requiring the spent shells.

MSP doesn't do anything with them other than throw them in a barrel and forget about them.

All the funding for the program has been cut off.

Great.

 

[krucam]

Great.

No kidding...defunded, a defacto non-enforceable law, yet consumers are still encumbered on any handgun purchase coming from out of state. Firearm manufacturers are encumbered in that they need to provide that spent shell.

Common sense would say remove the neutered code from the books.

 

[5.7]

Yet the consumer continues to get screwed. Buy a gun like a Sig or another gun that doesn't come with a shell from the importer, have it sent to a MD FFL and you have to pay that FFL to pop off a shell so MSP can throw it in the shit can. Some charge as much as 40 bucks for this "service". Gun shops aren't gonna complain, they make easy money doing this.

Utter ridiculousness-------MD blows.

 

[mikec]

Yet the consumer continues to get screwed. Buy a gun like a Sig or another gun that doesn't come with a shell from the importer, have it sent to a MD FFL and you have to pay that FFL to pop off a shell so MSP can throw it in the shit can. Some charge as much as 40 bucks for this "service". Gun shops aren't gonna complain, they make easy money doing this.

Utter ridiculousness-------MD blows.

Ask that shop how much it costs to maintain that ATF license. It costs several thousand dollars per year. They must also deal with State Department BS.

 

[Docster]

No kidding...defunded, a defacto non-enforceable law, yet consumers are still encumbered on any handgun purchase coming from out of state. Firearm manufacturers are encumbered in that they need to provide that spent shell.

Common sense would say remove the neutered code from the books.

Ha ha ha........he said "common sense"! That's a book by Thomas Paine; no relationship to Maryland laws.! That's a book by Thomas Paine, nothing to do with Maryland laws

 

[P-12 Norm]

Ask that shop how much it costs to maintain that ATF license. It costs several thousand dollars per year. They must also deal with State Department BS.

Exactly. we have yet to make our money back for ours. we got the 07 FFL so we could actually get more guns for our customers...

And on the original topic, there are many distributors who will not ship to MD because of our idiotic laws, and thus it is harder sometimes to get a gun for a customer. This doesn't increase the price so much as it A) Makes customers wait until we can find a hard to get gun from some place that WILL ship to MD, and B) Costs US time and effort to get the gun the customer wants!

 

[mikec]

Exactly. we have yet to make our money back for ours. we got the 07 FFL so we could actually get more guns for our customers...

And on the original topic, there are many distributors who will not ship to MD because of our idiotic laws, and thus it is harder sometimes to get a gun for a customer. This doesn't increase the price so much as it A) Makes customers wait until we can find a hard to get gun from some place that WILL ship to MD, and B) Costs US time and effort to get the gun the customer wants!

I do not know what shop you are involved with, doesn't matter really, but have you talked with some of the out of state shops, like the PA IP's here, about using them as a "shell" to get certain guns?

 

[Biggfoot44]

To the extent that the forces of evil actuly think , they are playing chicken with us. If it becomes so absurd that *we* actulay reopen ( fired shell , assult weapon defination , magzine regs , whatever ) in the legeslature , they will be glad to "simplify" : to make no possability of those guns coming in , to simply ban possesion of 20+rd mags , to make ALL those sorta evil looking rifles regulated , etc.

Ambigiously in our favor can be better than definativly against us.

 

[mikec]

To the extent that the forces of evil actuly think , they are playing chicken with us. If it becomes so absurd that *we* actulay reopen ( fired shell , assult weapon defination , magzine regs , whatever ) in the legeslature , they will be glad to "simplify" : to make no possability of those guns coming in , to simply ban possesion of 20+rd mags , to make ALL those sorta evil looking rifles regulated , etc.

Ambigiously in our favor can be better than definativly against us.

I was told that there is a rifle on the regulated gun list that doesn't exist. Someone writing the original regulated gun bill screwed up a gun designation and because of that, there is a rifle that is cash and carry rather than regulated.

As said before, we are better off compared to several other states but we must never relax. The anti's would love to shove the CA and NY or NJ style laws down our throats.

 

[EL1227]

No kidding...defunded, a defacto non-enforceable law, yet consumers are still encumbered on any handgun purchase coming from out of state. Firearm manufacturers are encumbered in that they need to provide that spent shell.

Common sense would say remove the neutered code from the books.

But, that is defacto 'common sense and under-the-radar gun control' ... make the manufacture, sale, and purchase more expensive and cumbersome so less companies will will comply and buyers won't go the extra expense of having a retailer perform the task for them.

The Gun Shop charged me $30 to produce a spent shell for a Hi-Point 9C (no comments from the peanut gallery ), but that illustrates my point. If a 'low-cost' firearm manufacturer catering to a clientele who can't afford much more than $179 for a home protection handgun, they just don't buy.

And NOW it doesn't cost the state a cent to take 100's of cheap handguns off of the street ... in the neighborhoods where they're probably needed the most. Now THAT's discriminatory.

Some enterprising 2A group ought to point that out in the form of a pro-bono lawsuit against the PRofMD.

I'm writng to Emily.

 

[mikec]

And NOW it doesn't cost the state a cent to take 100's of cheap handguns off of the street ... in the neighborhoods where they're probably needed the most. Now THAT's discriminatory.

Some enterprising 2A group ought to point that out in the form of a pro-bono lawsuit against the PRofMD.

I'm writng to Emily.

I have been waiting for someone to use a financially distressed person as a plaintiff in a case against the handgun board. I guess there are just enough "budget" guns allowed to avoid a lawsuit.

 

[EL1227]

I have been waiting for someone to use a financially distressed person as a plaintiff in a case against the handgun board. I guess there are just enough "budget" guns allowed to avoid a lawsuit.

Hi-Point is 'allowed', they just don't provide a casing ... and you don't get any more budget than a Hi-Point.

I just commented on Emily's column.

 

[DaemonAssassin]

So, Maryland tosses how many of these spent casings into a barrel every year? What do they do with said barrel? Turn it in for the value of scrap metal and they get how much money from that? Maybe they can fix the state budget if they sold the spent cases for scrap or to reloaders...

 

[ffemtreed]

So, Maryland tosses how many of these spent casings into a barrel every year? What do they do with said barrel? Turn it in for the value of scrap metal and they get how much money from that? Maybe they can fix the state budget if they sold the spent cases for scrap or to reloaders...

No they keep them in case the technology to ever catalog them becomes available. Its their excuse to the legislature every year to keep the requirement of spent shell cases. Pipe dreams!

 

[booker]

Disgusting, more MD waste and fraud.

The micro-stamping effort is a joke. Takes a criminal only a few minutes to pull the pin, scrape it against a cement sidewalk or a brick wall, and mangle the imprint. Absolutely pointless, when law enforcement would still have to 1) find the gun, 2) find the perp, 3) prove the perp used the gun. Unless they are looking to get convictions against firing pins, and let the criminals go free?

 

[sgt23preston]

Sgt Preston here...

Let's face it folks...

The entire purpose of "Merryland"s Spent Shell Casing law"...

Was never about catching bad guys...

It was only about making it harder & more expensive & more time consuming for Merrylander's to buy hand guns...

The only way we can change gun laws is by electing new representatives who are Conservative by Nature & Pro Gun by Choice...

 

[tssherman]

I wish they would change the law.

 

[tssherman]

there are some internet guns i would love to buy but cant because of the law