Fordracer2082
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No way . They are my rights and I will fight for them
Does the AWB Discourage you from Gun Ownership?
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I added an option. 
That's not the way to fight for your rights, anyway. A pitched battle is foolhardy -- think "guerilla", "viet-cong" if (God forbid) it comes to military operations. The scots used to bury their swords before the english troops came to disarm them......
SigMatt
Ultimate Member
I will fight for my rights and to keep my hard-earned property in my adopted country. I don't agree with the principle that because a criminal does something wrong, I am required to give up my rights and/or property for "the good of society", "to save just one life" or "to do it for the children". What about my one life? What about my contributions to society by contributing to its economic well-being and not being dependent on anyone or the government to defend or take care of myself?
A gun ban deprives me of my property. Either by forcing me to dispose of it, hide it or no longer be allowed to enjoy it. Those are hours of my life I don't get back in the past nor get to enjoy the fruits of in the future. What about guns I wanted but can no longer get? I want an M1A among others and may forever be out of my reach.
Nowhere but guns (and in limited cases, drugs such as Sudafed) where the reaction to any criminal misuse is a call for punishing the law-abiding. No demands for breathalyzer interlocks on law-abiding car owners cars to stop drunk driving, no demands on a printing license to prevent offensive speech as defined by some thin-skinned prole, no demands for ID to vote (despite the fact there should be as voting is the ultimate expression of political force), no waiting periods to publish and so on.
Only on guns. Isn't that interesting?
No, I will not give up. I will improvise, adapt and overcome. I will be a free man in the Socialist hellhole we call Maryland.
Matt
A gun ban deprives me of my property. Either by forcing me to dispose of it, hide it or no longer be allowed to enjoy it. Those are hours of my life I don't get back in the past nor get to enjoy the fruits of in the future. What about guns I wanted but can no longer get? I want an M1A among others and may forever be out of my reach.
Nowhere but guns (and in limited cases, drugs such as Sudafed) where the reaction to any criminal misuse is a call for punishing the law-abiding. No demands for breathalyzer interlocks on law-abiding car owners cars to stop drunk driving, no demands on a printing license to prevent offensive speech as defined by some thin-skinned prole, no demands for ID to vote (despite the fact there should be as voting is the ultimate expression of political force), no waiting periods to publish and so on.
Only on guns. Isn't that interesting?
No, I will not give up. I will improvise, adapt and overcome. I will be a free man in the Socialist hellhole we call Maryland.
Matt
aquaman
Ultimate Member
The AWB in a way discourages me because of all hysteria that the AWB speculation generates makes pursuing my already expensive hobby even more expensive. For example it was bad enough that the AK 74 stuff that was always dirt cheap went crazy once people caught on to cheap ammo, now that is completely dicked up to the point I don't even bother with Ak stuff anymore due to the AWB talk. I'm sorry but I'm not paying $50 dollars for a bakelite mag made 40 years ago by the millions that is now all of a sudden 'collectable' ....reminds of the cmp forum but worse. Yeh I needed to vent 
My wife didn't want firearms in our house but she has never had a problem with me going to the range with friends.
After the AWB hit the media and I started explaining the government's definition of "assault weapon" to my wife, she actually encouraged me to buy an AR so I would be grandfathered in.
Her timing couldn't be worse for my wallet, but I finally took the plunge and ordered all of the parts I need to build my AR. I have a feeling she'll want a "his and hers" after she tries mine at the range.
I signed up on this forum after starting to read about the MD AWB and started immediately emailing all of the politicians. Several of my friends who were on the fence about buying guns have all started doing the same. Don't give up, not all of the general public are uninformed sheep.
After the AWB hit the media and I started explaining the government's definition of "assault weapon" to my wife, she actually encouraged me to buy an AR so I would be grandfathered in.
Her timing couldn't be worse for my wallet, but I finally took the plunge and ordered all of the parts I need to build my AR. I have a feeling she'll want a "his and hers" after she tries mine at the range.
I signed up on this forum after starting to read about the MD AWB and started immediately emailing all of the politicians. Several of my friends who were on the fence about buying guns have all started doing the same. Don't give up, not all of the general public are uninformed sheep.
oldman12
Ultimate Member
Im not giving up crap. It took me to long to have what I do have,and its not enough.I will continue to sign petitions and send letters. I wish I would have gotten in a year or 2 before I did.I may have more mags and ammo.
AWB or not, nothing gets the point of gun ownership across better than getting your spouse to realize that you are in the same boat as whenever you hear or read news reports about burglaries or home invasions where the victim(s) had no gun(s) to fight back.
Example: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/09/joshua-komisarjevsky-death-sentence_n_1139931.html
My response to the AWB proposals...
Federal:
I am emailing my Congressman, former Congressmen (from areas I used to live, and can argue semi-realistically that I could/might eventually return) and my Senators. Of course, with all of them being far-left Dems, fat lot of good that is likely to do.
Luckily, I don't see the fed AWB going anywhere with the Republican lock on the House, and enough pro-2nd Amendment Dems in the Senate. The worst I think will happen, is maybe "closing the gunshow loophole" (IOW, adding the expense of background checks for private sales).
At the state level I am between "Undecided and Unsure but leaning about walking away." and "yes, its not worth fighting anymore" if you want to re-frame that as about living in MD instead of gun ownership.
I am doing the email/letter writing, but there comes a point where the yearly fight against extreme, and often realistic attacks on our 2nd Amendment rights is just too much. Yes, in other states, the Anti's attack it every year too, but here it is only through massive efforts of MSI and MD Shooters, and not a little bit of luck/miracles that we don't already have much of this mess on the books. After a while, the fight wears you out.
Not to mention, it is more than the attack on our rights:
If I move to VA, I will immediately have CCW, here we hope for a court case to be resolved, it may be months, it may be years before we can have real CCW here. If I am attacked tomorrow, the "someday" we are hoping for doesn't help.
Politics in general are screwed here. The MD legislature is something like 70% Democrats, and that was before the recent gerrymandering, oops, I mean redistricting. This state is a "Progressive"/Socialist paradise. You know it is bad when ultra-left wing Montgomery County asks the state to rescind the "millionaires" tax because of the negative effect it is having on the County's tax-base with so many top earners fleeing, yet the state refuses and many "Progressives" fail to see the problem.
Taxes and fiscal health. As a teacher, I am far from the rich above, but high MD taxes are a problem. Despite some of the highest taxes in the country (or more accurately, largely because of them), our budget is a mess. VA is just a much more stable and civilized place to be in those regards.
I've thought about moving to NOVA for years, and this may be the final straw (at least if any aspect of it passes). I'll finish my masters this summer so I'll be free to move. NOVA is just as close to much of my family and many of my friends as places I've lived in MD (when I lived in the Pikesville area it was about an hour to my best friend in Annapolis, when I lived in Annapolis it was about an hour to another close friend in Balt County, much of NOVA will also be about an hour). I'm putting in job applications as soon as the schools start announcing openings for next year, and as soon as I get a job offer in NOVA or Montgomery County (which wouldn't be a bad commute to NOVA) I'm moving.
Federal:
I am emailing my Congressman, former Congressmen (from areas I used to live, and can argue semi-realistically that I could/might eventually return) and my Senators. Of course, with all of them being far-left Dems, fat lot of good that is likely to do.
Luckily, I don't see the fed AWB going anywhere with the Republican lock on the House, and enough pro-2nd Amendment Dems in the Senate. The worst I think will happen, is maybe "closing the gunshow loophole" (IOW, adding the expense of background checks for private sales).
At the state level I am between "Undecided and Unsure but leaning about walking away." and "yes, its not worth fighting anymore" if you want to re-frame that as about living in MD instead of gun ownership.
I am doing the email/letter writing, but there comes a point where the yearly fight against extreme, and often realistic attacks on our 2nd Amendment rights is just too much. Yes, in other states, the Anti's attack it every year too, but here it is only through massive efforts of MSI and MD Shooters, and not a little bit of luck/miracles that we don't already have much of this mess on the books. After a while, the fight wears you out.
Not to mention, it is more than the attack on our rights:
If I move to VA, I will immediately have CCW, here we hope for a court case to be resolved, it may be months, it may be years before we can have real CCW here. If I am attacked tomorrow, the "someday" we are hoping for doesn't help.
Politics in general are screwed here. The MD legislature is something like 70% Democrats, and that was before the recent gerrymandering, oops, I mean redistricting. This state is a "Progressive"/Socialist paradise. You know it is bad when ultra-left wing Montgomery County asks the state to rescind the "millionaires" tax because of the negative effect it is having on the County's tax-base with so many top earners fleeing, yet the state refuses and many "Progressives" fail to see the problem.
Taxes and fiscal health. As a teacher, I am far from the rich above, but high MD taxes are a problem. Despite some of the highest taxes in the country (or more accurately, largely because of them), our budget is a mess. VA is just a much more stable and civilized place to be in those regards.
I've thought about moving to NOVA for years, and this may be the final straw (at least if any aspect of it passes). I'll finish my masters this summer so I'll be free to move. NOVA is just as close to much of my family and many of my friends as places I've lived in MD (when I lived in the Pikesville area it was about an hour to my best friend in Annapolis, when I lived in Annapolis it was about an hour to another close friend in Balt County, much of NOVA will also be about an hour). I'm putting in job applications as soon as the schools start announcing openings for next year, and as soon as I get a job offer in NOVA or Montgomery County (which wouldn't be a bad commute to NOVA) I'm moving.
It might be true that VA income taxes are higher, but overall tax burden when all BS taxes are added up is much higher in MD.
According to this site, MD is ranked 19th for its tax burden (I would have thought it was worse) and VA is ranked 41 (lower numbers mean higher taxes).
http://www.e50plus.com/public/202.cfm
According to the following, in 2010 MD was #12 for highest state and local taxes, VA was #30.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/state-and-local-tax-burdens-all-states-one-year-1977-2010
According to the 2005 U.S. Census, for state tax per capita MD is #14, VA was #27.
http://www.census.gov/govs/statetax/05staxrank.html
So, there are three sources that show MD taxes are much higher than VA's.
As for the personal property tax, it seems annoying, but there would still be a tax savings. They have partial exemptions on the first $20K of value. Different jurisdictions seem to have different tax rates. So figuring the total is complicated, but worst case (Alexandria at 4.57/100 of value, not figuring the tax relief) would be about $680 for a car worth $15K. VA Beach actually has a payment calculator so I can figure more realistically, they do have a lower rate (by about a buck per $100), but with the tax relief the total would be $227 for that same car worth $15K (and actually, I think my 2011 Ford Fusion currently has a slightly lower blue book value than that). The tax on my motorcycle would be almost nothing (using the VA Beach calculator it would be about the same as one tank of gas for my Fusion). $200-600 a year sucks, but it won't negate the other tax and other advantages of VA v. MD.
As for PA, I wouldn't mind living in parts of PA, but that would put me much further from friends and family, so NOVA is more likely.
In real life, it doesn't necessarily work out that way. Take it from somebody with significant assets to protect. Were I to move to northern VA, I would take it up the wahoo compared to where I am. My total taxes would be jacked up by thousands per year. That's not something the internet told me. It's based on actually looking at comparable real estate in person, checking on the adjusted real estate taxes after a home purchase, and checking on personal property taxes on a bunch of vehicles. Also very important is correctly calculating the difference in state income tax for a given income level. That's assuming no weight is given to additional travel time and associated vehicle expenses (fuel, maintenance, likely earlier replacement). Taking the time and care to research and clearly understand the entirety of the big picture is critical, especially for somebody (not me) who expects to change jobs in the process. There are plenty of States with taxes a lot higher than MD, especially depending on what county/city/town you choose. Regardless, never neglect to factor in any expected difference in income. For example, when I lived in Alabama, combined state/county/city taxes were trivial. But pay was so low that it made way more financial sense to live in MD for a far higher income, even though state-related taxes are about 3x higher here.
Tyeraxus
Ultimate Member
EDIT: Uncalled for. Sorry. Rough time at work lately, but that's no excuse for ungentlemanly behavior.
Awesome addition.Need an option about refusing to be a criminal/victim and move out of state.
DoubleTap007
Active Member
They want you to be discouraged, they want you to give up.
5.56blaster
Ultimate Member
I will NEVER buy another firearm in Maryland if for no other reason then to not give MOM another cent in sales tax or MSP fees.
