Does SB281 ban this revolver?

[newq]

SB281 while not mentioning any pistols in the ban other than new regulated weapons requirements,

The new bill does mention shotguns, and specifically mentions banning any shotgun with a rotating barrel.

Where does that leave revolvers that fall into the 45/410 category such as the Taurus line found here:


http://www.taurususa.com/gun-selector-results.cfm?series=41&toggle=tr

Even though not technically a shotgun it is a gun that shoots shot shells and has a rotary barrel.

What do you guys think ?

 

[Verbotene]

They're not shotguns, they're chambered in a pistol caliber... They just have an outrageously oversized cylinder that happens to accomodate a shotgun shell.

Shouldn't be banned. Not so sure on the Circuit Judge...

 

[zoostation]

Pretty sure Cali bans the Circuit Judge, and their AW wording regarding shotguns is close to ours.

Absolutely stupid.

 

[Verbotene]

Pretty sure Cali bans the Circuit Judge, and their AW wording regarding shotguns is close to ours.

Absolutely stupid.

I know, and I thought I heard it would be banned.

But by the same reasoning that the Judge isn't a shotgun should classify the Circuit Judge a pistol caliber carbine.

It is mind-boggling to me that anyone could accuse the Circuit Judge of being a "street sweeper."

 

[Gbh]

If it has a rifled barrel, it's not a shotgun.

 

[newq]

Interesting I thought some shotguns had rifling. I know the majority are smooth bore but I thought the made sabbot slugs for shotguns with rifled barrels and rifled slugs for smooth bore... Meh... Curiousity killed the cat.

 

[PhoenixRizing]

I was thinking the rifling would classify it as a rifle too...

Perhaps we should consult with firearms expert "Shotgun Joe"... "You don't need an AR-15, it's harder to aim, it's harder to use...buy a shotgun."

 

[mig201]

Judge

I hadn't thought of it this way. Would be interesting to hear the answer. May have to buy this before October also

 

[Gbh]

Interesting I thought some shotguns had rifling. I know the majority are smooth bore but I thought the made sabbot slugs for shotguns with rifled barrels and rifled slugs for smooth bore... Meh... Curiousity killed the cat.

The pistol caliber firearms that have rifled barrels but can accept shotgun shells are not shotguns. They are handguns or rifles.

 

[Markp]

Maybe... I think it depends on whether the judge is rifled (I think it is). If it's rifled, my answer would be no, as they make snake shot for a variety of revolvers and they would also be suddenly be banned. However if the Taurus was a smooth bore, then I could see the argument advanced that it was a shotgun.

 

[dblas]

Maybe... I think it depends on whether the judge is rifled (I think it is). If it's rifled, my answer would be no, as they make snake shot for a variety of revolvers and they would also be suddenly be banned. However if the Taurus was a smooth bore, then I could see the argument advanced that it was a shotgun.

In Maryland the Judge is classified as a handgun, the circuit judge is classified as a rifle. As such, neither are subject to the ban.

 

[Merlin]

SB281 while not mentioning any pistols in the ban other than new regulated weapons requirements,

The new bill does mention shotguns, and specifically mentions banning any shotgun with a rotating barrel.

Where does that leave revolvers that fall into the 45/410 category such as the Taurus line found here:


http://www.taurususa.com/gun-selector-results.cfm?series=41&toggle=tr

Even though not technically a shotgun it is a gun that shoots shot shells and has a rotary barrel.

What do you guys think ?

I think when they were writing the law and said shotguns with revolving cylinders, they were saying revolving cylinders but thinking shotguns with drum "Drum Mags" design like the following;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiMQ981lph0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhstuvzMiB0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wLDImQLRVQ


Not guns like this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nji73gcn6Y

The stooges in Annapolis just copied the New York section of the law that talked about "revolving cylinder" shotguns who are just as stupid.

IMHO I just think they do not/did not know enough about guns to use the correct terms. But unfortunately it looks like all of them will be effected.

 

[ddeanjohnson]

SB 281 does not change these pertinent definitions already found in the Maryland firearms statutes, all of which are found in the Criminal Law Article, § 4-201.

(c) Handgun. --

(1) "Handgun" means a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed on the person.

(2) "Handgun" includes a short-barreled shotgun and a short-barreled rifle.

(3) "Handgun" does not include a shotgun, rifle, or antique firearm.


(e) Rifle. -- "Rifle" means a weapon that is:

(1) designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder; and

(2) designed or redesigned, and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.


(f) Short-barreled rifle. -- "Short-barreled rifle" means:

(1) a rifle that has one or more barrels less than 16 inches long; or

(2) a weapon that has an overall length of less than 26 inches and that was made from a rifle, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise.


(g) Short-barreled shotgun. -- "Short-barreled shotgun" means:

(1) a shotgun that has one or more barrels less than 18 inches long; or

(2) a weapon that has an overall length of less than 26 inches long and was made from a shotgun, whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise.


(h) Shotgun. -- "Shotgun" means a weapon that is:

(1) designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder; and

(2) designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed shotgun shell to fire through a smooth bore one or more projectiles for each pull of the trigger.

 

[gmhowell]

ddeanjohnson, thanks for the links as usual

Looks like the handgun is ok. It's a handgun and only a handgun.

I would make the argument that the circuit judge is banned. f.1 and f.2 make it a shotgun, and shotguns with revolving cylinder for reload are banned. Yes Merlin, I understand the intent was to ban the streetsweeper, but I can't tell how the Circuit Judge does not meet the description(s) ddeanjohnson posted from the legislation.

Edit: Apologies to Merlin. With a second read, I see that you state at the end of your comment that the Circuit Judge would probably fall under this categorization. Honestly, I don't think the GA cares whether more than intended were banned.

 

[ddeanjohnson]

In Maryland the Judge is classified as a handgun, the circuit judge is classified as a rifle. As such, neither are subject to the ban.

According to a notice currently displayed on the Rossi website, the .45/.410 Circuit Judge "is sold in North America only as a rifle." The notice also says that the "Rossi 28 Gauge Shotgun" is sold only as a smoothbore shotgun and is therefore illegal in some jurisdictions in the U.S., due to the rotating cylinder.

http://www.rossiusa.com/pdf/warning_notice_circuit_judge.pdf

(Rossi and Taurus are part of the same corporate entity.)

 

[dblas]

According to a notice currently displayed on the Rossi website, the .45/.410 Circuit Judge "is sold in North America only as a rifle." The notice also says that the "Rossi 28 Gauge Shotgun" is sold only as a smoothbore shotgun and is therefore illegal in some jurisdictions in the U.S., due to the rotating cylinder.

http://www.rossiusa.com/pdf/warning_notice_circuit_judge.pdf

(Rossi and Taurus are part of the same corporate entity.)

I believe I said that, thanks for the link for verification.

 

[Inigoes]

Maybe... I think it depends on whether the judge is rifled (I think it is). If it's rifled, my answer would be no, as they make snake shot for a variety of revolvers and they would also be suddenly be banned. However if the Taurus was a smooth bore, then I could see the argument advanced that it was a shotgun.

A smooth bore revolver = AOW, in the eyes of the BATFE.