Delegate Dumais working on bill to ban 80% firearms

[teratos]

So then what is a firearm in legalese. Any lawyer want to chime in?

It's my understanding the serialized lower is the firearm so if you buy a serialized lower and file with form 1 then you can do what you will to it. You didn't build anything you bought a firearm and modified it legally.

And registered a serial number with the Feds.

 

[lazarus]

So then what is a firearm in legalese. Any lawyer want to chime in?

It's my understanding the serialized lower is the firearm so if you buy a serialized lower and file with form 1 then you can do what you will to it. You didn't build anything you bought a firearm and modified it legally.

That would be my understanding also. You manufacture an SBR in that case, but you are not manufacturing the firearm. It was already a firearm.

Turning an 80% in to a functional firearm IS manufacturing the firearm and that would be prohibited.

It is an stupid as hell.

 

[ironpony]

I fear asking for clarification as it may cause them to improve their bill.

 

[erwos]

Aren't C&R holders licensed importers?

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[budman93]

Aren't C&R holders licensed importers?

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No. That's a separate type of ffl.

 

[lazarus]

No. That's a separate type of ffl.

Correct.

 

[Straightshooter]

I bought all my 80% lowers at gun shows as cash and carry. No receipts. I finished them prior to Oct 2013. Prove I didn't.

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[whistlersmother]

I bought all my 80% lowers at gun shows as cash and carry. No receipts. I finished them prior to Oct 2013. Prove I didn't.

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Prior to 2013 or not, for 80%, isn't the issue. No serial number from a FFL is the issue.

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[lazarus]

Prior to 2013 or not, for 80%, isn't the issue. No serial number from a FFL is the issue.

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Yeah, that’s the issue. Under that law, you’d need to prove those 80%s were finished prior to 1968.

Anything that doesn’t have a serial number on it from a federally licensed manufacturer or importer that was manufacturered after 1968 is BANNED. No grandfathering.

I suspect your plastic 80% are pretty provable not 1968 or earlier. Even a milled aluminum 80% probably won’t take a whole lot to prove it didn’t pre-date 1968.

 

[whistlersmother]

Yeah, that’s the issue. Under that law, you’d need to prove those 80%s were finished prior to 1968.



Anything that doesn’t have a serial number on it from a federally licensed manufacturer or importer that was manufacturered after 1968 is BANNED. No grandfathering.



I suspect your plastic 80% are pretty provable not 1968 or earlier. Even a milled aluminum 80% probably won’t take a whole lot to prove it didn’t pre-date 1968.

Please don't assign "your" to anything I may or may not own. Thank you for your cooperation.

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[Straightshooter]

I bought all my 80% lowers at gun shows as cash and carry. No receipts. I finished them prior to Oct 2013. Prove I didn't.

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Just kidding. Don't have any 80% thingies but I was smart enough to stock up on those Joebob Outfitter lower specials that he reserved for citizens of the Socialist Republuc of Maryland before SB 281 became law.

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[Dogmeat]

I'd just like to ban 80% of Dumias. Top, bottom, middle, sides, both ends, I don't care, but I think 80% should take care of the problem.

 

[lazarus]

Anyone know what Maryland's requirements are for manufacturers for zoning and licensing?

Just eyeing up that FFL06 manufacturer of ammunition other than destructive or AP ammo.

I mean, FFL's business requirements seem light. I haven't delved deeply in to the manufacturer end of things. Just thinking, this law doesn't say that it has to be an FFL07 that serializes it, just a federal manufacturer or importer. If I was still just making the firearms for myself...an FFL07 shouldn't be needed to comply

I'd be happy to make some ammo and sell it as a small side business.

 

[Occam]

Anyone know what Maryland's requirements are for manufacturers for zoning and licensing?

Don't forget you're also up against local (municipal, county) zoning and permitting. I'm aware of at least one person waiting on FFL status that ain't happening until the county approves of the location in which business will happen.

 

[zoostation]

Aren't C&R holders licensed importers?

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Yes, but limited in scope. They can import C&R's for their personal collections "occasionally" (not defined) with an approved Form 6. But if you want to get to the technical semantics, yes, I think you could say they are a "licensed importer."

 

[ironpony]

This bill has a lot of co-sponsors.

I don't think 80% need serial number if sold by an individual, only a manufacturer in the business - yes/no?

Too expensive to become FFL07 which usually requires ITAR...

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Don't forget you're also up against local (municipal, county) zoning and permitting. I'm aware of at least one person waiting on FFL status that ain't happening until the county approves of the location in which business will happen.

Curious about this, does the ATF ask the county? Actually, do not answer this. Fight Club rules should be followed. I believe this forum, at times, is democattle fodder for new bills.

 

[rob b]

any news on if this is making way thru or not ?

 

[Malleovic]

any news on if this is making way thru or not ?

It's up to the committee. To be perfectly honest I don't see this bill not making it through, not with the names that are sponsoring it.

At the very least hopefully some of the most egregious parts of it will be modified in committee, since at this point they have the ability to amend it at their discretion I think.

 

[clandestine]

Anyone know what Maryland's requirements are for manufacturers for zoning and licensing?

Just eyeing up that FFL06 manufacturer of ammunition other than destructive or AP ammo.

I mean, FFL's business requirements seem light. I haven't delved deeply in to the manufacturer end of things. Just thinking, this law doesn't say that it has to be an FFL07 that serializes it, just a federal manufacturer or importer. If I was still just making the firearms for myself...an FFL07 shouldn't be needed to comply

I'd be happy to make some ammo and sell it as a small side business.

The legal side of this is way more involved than most realize.

Business licensing costs are not cheap, more if it's a Corp or LLC.

You can't be a manufacturer in most MD counties unless you are zoned commercial. This means you need a storefront. Lots of operation cost/overhead there.

Depending on the FFL, you will also need to register for ITAR compliance. That's $2250.00 per year. That is separate from the FFL fees.

If the LGQL passes you will also have to get a MSP Regulated Firearms License. More fees.

 

[Rack&Roll]

I will never understand the Loony Left's obsession with "Freshness dates"....

Gun best if purchased before 10/1/13