Cody WIlson v State Department

[DC-W]

If you want to hear the unedited murder of the CBS reporter when he tried stepping to Wilson, here’s the link
https://m.soundcloud.com/cbsthismorning/hear-from-the-man-behind-3d-printed-guns

 

[Kicken Wing]

If you want to hear the unedited murder of the CBS reporter when he tried stepping to Wilson, here’s the link
https://m.soundcloud.com/cbsthismorning/hear-from-the-man-behind-3d-printed-guns

The reporter certainly got his ass handed to him! I wish I could argue 2nd amendment with the demeanor and grace HALF as good as Cody Wilson. He does a great job cutting through the BS. I have a newfound admiration and respect for this guy. That was a 41 minute debate in which he did not falter.

 

[DC-W]

And tomorrow we find out what the judge in WA will do.

I’m guessing he’ll issue the injunction

 

[whistlersmother]

Of course he will. And when he does, there will 100's of other sites that will put up the files. Some may even be in Sweden, probably sitting besides the Wiki-leaks site...

 

[DC-W]

Technically, and this is via Wilson (who’s legal team is Gura, Blackman, Goldstein, etc...) posting technical data about firearms online is illegal in the US right now. MDS is outside the law even without specifically having 3D printable gun files on it. Only 1 file on defcad was printable. The rest were literally blueprints.

Even posting a picture of an AR15 cleaning mat with schematics on it is flouting the law.

I’ll try to find the citAtion for this but Wilson has said it in more than one interview. Unlikely to be enforced, but still illegal...

 

[Kicken Wing]

Technically, and this is via Wilson (who’s legal team is Gura, Blackman, Goldstein, etc...) posting technical data about firearms online is illegal in the US right now. MDS is outside the law even without specifically having 3D printable gun files on it. Only 1 file on defcad was printable. The rest were literally blueprints.

Even posting a picture of an AR15 cleaning mat with schematics on it is flouting the law.

I’ll try to find the citAtion for this but Wilson has said it in more than one interview. Unlikely to be enforced, but still illegal...

I am speechless. What would be considered "technical data"? That's a broad spectrum of information. Yet another gray area and slippery slope that could land an innocent, law abiding citizen in trouble. WOW.

 

[txcat]

And tomorrow we find out what the judge in WA will do.

I’m guessing he’ll issue the injunction

I'll be very surprised if he doesn't issue the injunction. From his comments during the hearing, it's clear that like most Democrat-appointed judges he wants to play legislator and rewrite the law rather than do his job of applying existing law.

 

[DaemonAssassin]

I am speechless. What would be considered "technical data"? That's a broad spectrum of information. Yet another gray area and slippery slope that could land an innocent, law abiding citizen in trouble. WOW.

Technical data can be defined in so many ways it is absurd. Discussing the tolerances of a standard BCG compared to a match grade BCG could be considered "technical data".

 

[Jim12]

Don't sales info and operational specs such as caliber, barrel length, mag capacity, etc. all constitute "technical data" ?

 

[Allen65]

The judge will need to twist himself into a pretzel to find a justification for a permanent injunction. Possession of the data by by, and dissemination of the data to, US citizens is not illegal under any current Federal or state laws that i am aware of. What prevented the data from being put online was International Trafficing in Arms Regulations (ITAR) because online there is no way to positively prevent foreign nationals from accessing online data, hence "exporting" it. Department of State now states, under its Federal statutory authority, that small arms data no longer will fall under ITAR protection and may be exported without State Department ITAR license.

Unanswered is whether the data might now fall under Export Administration Regulations (EAR) under Department of Commerce. In that case an export license is still needed, but is granted under a much lower standard for commercial goods rather than military arms.

Another key aspect of the Wilson settlement with DoJ & DoS is that DoS effectively removed Modern Sporting Rifles from the the definition of military goods. That seemingly minor change could have major implications in court cases challenging so-called assault weapons bans because USGOV now officially recognizes that semiauto rifles are not military hardware with a few minor exceptions for state of the art stuff like caseless ammo systems. Permanently enjoining that decision would be a bigger legal coup for a left-wing judge than merely stopping DD from putting data that's already widely available online, on its server.

 

[DC-W]

Morning reminder to donate to https://defcad.com/


Tom Gresham interview with Cody Wilson at 23:30 into the show. He reiterates that the sharing of firearms technical data had been made illegal by the judges TRO at 33:20

https://guntalk.libsyn.com/colorado...art-plans-court-update-gun-talk-radio-82618-b

 

[44man]

If you want to hear the unedited murder of the CBS reporter when he tried stepping to Wilson, here’s the link
https://m.soundcloud.com/cbsthismorning/hear-from-the-man-behind-3d-printed-guns

Wilson is surely a calm and cool guy. I cant keep my cool talking to stupid people like that.

 

[DC-W]

Ruling should drop soon
http://www.wawd.uscourts.gov/news/s...ed-states-department-state-et-al-c18-1115-rsl

 

[txcat]

If the judge does issue the injunction, I'd say there's a 50% chance that he mentions yesterday's Florida mass shooting in his lawless ruling.

 

[Inigoes]

Nothing yet

The order regarding plaintiff's motion for a preliminary injunction in State of Washington, et al., v. United States Department of State, et al., C18-1115-RSL, will be docketed at 9:00 am on Monday, August 27, 2018.

http://www.wawd.uscourts.gov/news/s...ed-states-department-state-et-al-c18-1115-rsl

 

[DC-W]

Preliminary Injunction granted

 

[DC-W]

Full ruling here:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4784902/3D-Guns-Seattle-20180827.pdf

Free speech and the second amendment need you
www.defcad.com

 

[whistlersmother]

Ah, can't be uploaded to internet but can be e-mailed... WTH is that? Am I reading this correctly?

Web page to request files via email is legal, but direct click is not?

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

 

[Boxcab]

OK, I need a deciphering....






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[Inigoes]

Ah, can't be uploaded to internet but can be e-mailed... WTH is that? Am I reading this correctly?

Web page to request files via email is legal, but direct click is not?

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

If Cody enables an SMTP server and emails the files instead of direct downloading, that should satisfy the requirements of the preliminary injunction.