CMP 1911s update

[John from MD]

I have a problem with someone in government saying they can't trust people who already are authorized to buy C&R firearms. To me, it is a method of harassing law abiding citizens who already have been proven not to be a threat. We need to keep the pressure on the politicians to come up with a reason why an existing FFL holder cannot have the 1911's sent directly to him/her.

Since an 03 FFL holder can already buy 1911 pistols and have them sent to his door, there is no reasonable excuse to not allow 03 FFL holders to receive the current batch of pistols.

If you haven't done so, I suggest you start writing your congress critters and President Trump to express your dissatisfaction with this process. Make sure you let them know that they will be held accountable.

 

[iH8DemLibz]

HARUMPH!!!

 

[John from MD]

I can't find the answer on-line.

When was the last US Army contract 1911 produced?

It would have to be 1967 to make all US Army 1911s C&R eligible. Unless CMP can figure out manufacturing dates based on serial numbers. Can't imagine them taking on that nightmare though.

Maybe this is why CMP is going this non-03 route.

That would be bull also as the Army doesn't have to do anything. The BATF can make a ruling that any military 1911 is deemed C&R just like they have with other pistols that were less than 50 years old.

Hell, even though 1911 type pistols are still being made, the fact is that the damn thing is a dinosaur. They are large and heavy, hold the same rounds as some pocket pistols and, with military tolerances and sights, are not the most accurate gun out there.

The government has no reason to fear these being sent to 03 FFL holders. After all, when is the last time you saw a yote flashing old slab sides around?

 

[ironpony]

Which FFL 01 in MD will hand out signed copies of their license. 1,000 internets to the first copy posted.


I doubt this can be emailed by the FFL as the CMP has a “package plan”. Several emails, several snail mails and certified checks or money orders.... that may get messy.

 

[Orlando]

Has nothing to do with if they are curio and replic eligable or not
Everyone is being very cautious about this whole deal, one red flag or one incident and the rest of the 1911,s will be in jeopardy of never seeing the light of day.

 

[j_h_smith]

I don't know if it's because of the CMP program or not, but does it seem like WWII 1911 pistols are gaining in value quickly? I mean within the last week I've seen an Ithica 1911A1 go from $1500 to $2100. I'm pretty sure this is the same seller and the same firearm.

Anyone else?

 

[OnTarget]

Some additional information from Military.com. This is not CMP "official" but may prove helpful in understanding what is going on.
https://www.military.com/kitup/2017/12/14/new-information-out-army-surplus-1911-45-sales.html[

Regarding the "Proof of participation in a marksmanship activity," I wonder what qualifies for this? If one doesn"t shoot in matches, is the person out of luck? I could produce a yearly sportsman's range membership pass, also, NRA basic pistol course. Moreover, I was in the Coast Guard many years ago. That's about it.

 

[ironpony]

Has nothing to do with if they are curio and replic eligable or not

Everyone is being very cautious about this whole deal, one red flag or one incident and the rest of the 1911,s will be in jeopardy of never seeing the light of day.

One could say that about almost every firearm and most accessories.

 

[Orlando]

Some additional information from Military.com. This is not CMP "official" but may prove helpful in understanding what is going on.
https://www.military.com/kitup/2017/12/14/new-information-out-army-surplus-1911-45-sales.html[

Regarding the "Proof of participation in a marksmanship activity," I wonder what qualifies for this? If one doesn"t shoot in matches, is the person out of luck? I could produce a yearly sportsman's range membership pass, also, NRA basic pistol course. Moreover, I was in the Coast Guard many years ago. That's about it.

Everything is clearly stated on the cmp forum for elidgeabiliy requirements, you do not have to shoot in a match. You should be covered on the proof of marksmanship portion

 

[rbird7282]

Why is that a problem? The BATFE maintains a website on which it publishes FFL information, which is updated monthly.

I've only done a few transfers but told a local FFL about a transfer that I wanted them to do. (Bought something off of gunbroker) they wouldn't give me a copy of their FFL, but they gave it to the seller. Just my .02


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[Orlando]

I've only done a few transfers but told a local FFL about a transfer that I wanted them to do. (Bought something off of gunbroker) they wouldn't give me a copy of their FFL, but they gave it to the seller. Just my .02


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If everyone would take some time and read up on requirements and facts first you would all see it's a not a issue
You do not need a hard copy of the FFL.
The FFL will email copy of license to CMP

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[iH8DemLibz]

To make things easier and put all fears to rest: Erect a big top, bring in a calliope, juggle 10,000 applications, and match mailed applications to e-mailed brick and mortar FFLs.

To make things difficult and raise fear levels: E-mail C&R. Ship 1911.

 

[Orlando]

Great just means more for the rest of us who appreciate cmp and what they do!!

 

[mac1_131]

I've only done a few transfers but told a local FFL about a transfer that I wanted them to do. (Bought something off of gunbroker) they wouldn't give me a copy of their FFL, but they gave it to the seller. Just my .02


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Many FFLs do not want signed copies of their licenses floating around. A signed copy is different than an internet verification.

However the answer to this problem is pretty simple. Prepare your package, envelope, everything, and give it to FFL and ask them to drop their signed FFL in to it and mail it for you.

I've done that before with FFLs that didn't want to give me signed copy and it worked fine.

I do wish they would take 03 however like a lot of you do. I may wait for them to start being flipped and just use my 03 then.

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[ironpony]

Sorry Orlando I don’t mean to be dense but I’m pretty dense. CMP sent me an email saying this “Potential purchasers will have to provide to CMP a new set of documents exhibiting: 1) proof of U.S. Citizenship, 2) proof of membership in a CMP affiliated club, 3) proof of participation in a marksmanship activity, 4) a new form 2A with notary, 5) a signed copy of the 01 Federal Firearms License in which the 1911 will be transferred to. “

I’ll send in a “package” without it and I’m breaking out the egg nog!

 

[Woody]

http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/1911-information/

Have you seen the update after the original info?

Answers many of these questions.

Cheers,
Woody

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[Orlando]

CMP will have an all-new 1911 order form, 1911 purchasing instructions, a 1911 page on our web site, a dedicated 1911 FFL fax number and email address for the FFL holder to send their FFL with customer's name attached. The customer will have to send in a complete new order packet with all new qualifying criteria included. Everyone will be a new customer, everyone starts with no advantage or disadvantage. CMP 1911 is an FFL governed operation and is a separate entity from CMP and has to have its own record keeping operation with no ties to the old CMP records.

 

[Furious George]

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[Blacksmith101]

Some additional information from Military.com. This is not CMP "official" but may prove helpful in understanding what is going on.
https://www.military.com/kitup/2017/12/14/new-information-out-army-surplus-1911-45-sales.html[

Regarding the "Proof of participation in a marksmanship activity," I wonder what qualifies for this? If one doesn"t shoot in matches, is the person out of luck? I could produce a yearly sportsman's range membership pass, also, NRA basic pistol course. Moreover, I was in the Coast Guard many years ago. That's about it.

Marksmanship or other Firearms Related Activity: (includes)
"Current or past military service."

Here is a link to the CMP Eligibility Requirements ("No proof of marksmanship required if over age 60"):
http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/eligibility-requirements/

And here are the CMP Sales FAQ's which answer most common questions:
http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/sales-faq/

 

[Abulg1972]

Great just means more for the rest of us who appreciate cmp and what they do!!

Still waiting for the explanation.