Cecil county About to get screwed with new gun laws?

[henn5849]

I think it's covered already. Reckless endangerment is already on the state law books and is a three year misdemeanor. However, don't expect the fact something is already illegal dissuade a politician from chasing a headline.

True.

 

[hvymax]

Where this bothers me is...


I have a 100' high hill behind my home. It is probably 100 yards wide. Use to be a gravel pit. Neighbors home is 100 yards to the left of my home. I target shoot into the hill behind my home. Sheriffs office and state police say it is safe and does not put anyone in danger. This would effect me.

Again, I stated before, I don't agree with people doing celebratory gunfire. Especially after that little girl was killed.

As long as you are amicable with your neighbors this should not be a problem. You are after all rattling their windows. If you have been deemed safe and have established this as a regular activity you might be grandfathered or waived. Show up at the meeting and state your case.

 

[hvymax]

Are you referring to me?

Only if you think I'm rude.

 

[henn5849]

Only if you think I'm rude.

Lol. No. I would never shoot up in the air. Not that dumb...

 

[hvymax]

The first article is what they are telling the public. The post under it is what he is adding along with it. Where will it stop? How much more will he add?

Like I said. Show up at the meetings. Call,write,email, visit their offices,call radio stations and write the local newspaper. If you can make a convincing argument you can change things. I have been told my testimony has changed the course of several bills in Annapolis and local issues. Get out ther and make more sense than the other guy but you have to acknowledge the issues that DO need addressing.

 

[MJD438]

WTF is your problem with this? Fuc^tards shooting in the air killed a little girl. This does nothing to ban defending yourself or hunting or even shooting off your own porch if you can do it safely. It seeks to ban endangering your neighbors or random strangers miles away. Gee if you have a neighbor 50yds behind your house you can't throw out a few sandbags and shoot your 30-06. You can't tresspass and shoot on somebody elses property. Your projectiles have to stay on your property. It even allows your bullets to leave your property if you can guarantee they won't hurt anyone. You can't just wander onto public property and spray bullets willy nilly. You have to clear it with authorities to verify nobody else is using the area. If you have neighbors within 150yds you need their consent because they are within the range of ricochets and potentially damgerous sound levels.
These are the same rules in place where I live and if you have seen the videos from my house we get downright extreme while maintaining safe lanes of fire and not endangering half the county.

My problem - it is preemptive by state law unless it is a modification to a law the existed in the County Code prior to state preemption. It does not directly affect me, as I am a HoCo resident. The laws should apply equally and the levels of government should respect the preemption issue. If he feels compelled to offer new laws, he should ask the county delegation to bring them up during the next GA general session.

 

[F-Stop]

Wouldn't a mailing on gun safety or some other type of information sharing do more than a redundant law?

I am a bit confused since McCarthy introduced the resolution to oppose Big O's Firearm Safety Act. I would like to know more.

 

[smores]

Isn't the Rodney Scout Reservation in Cecil Co.?



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[hvymax]

Wouldn't a mailing on gun safety or some other type of information sharing do more than a redundant law?

I am a bit confused since McCarthy introduced the resolution to oppose Big O's Firearm Safety Act. I would like to know more.

OMally's gun safety plan was to ban guns and people from owning them. McCarthy's plan is to ban willy nilly shooting that endangers half the county.

 

[ohen cepel]

I would be hard pressed to support ANY new guns laws, especially, if the phrase "common sense" is used to support them.

Shooting into the air and endangering people is already covered.

No need to further reduce people's property rights with something like this.

 

[jaybee]

you can't legislate stupidity

stupid people don't know they are stupid and passing new laws will not make them smarter

IMHO

 

[frogman68]

Isn't the Rodney Scout Reservation in Cecil Co.?



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yes it is.

while I agree shooting in any direction not knowing where your round will land is beyond stupid.

the 150 rule if towards a structure should be a little farther as most rounds will do a lot of damage.

 

[MDFF2008]

OMally's gun safety plan was to ban guns and people from owning them. McCarthy's plan is to ban willy nilly shooting that endangers half the county.

This.

Looking at that law, I don't really see anything that is bad. They even specifically exempted self defense.

Now if it's constitutional with state preemption is another matter.

 

[hvymax]

Isn't the Rodney Scout Reservation in Cecil Co.?



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Scout ranges are pretty carefully managed so there should be no issue with their range.

 

[JHE1956]

Just because they make a new law doesn't mean it is going to prevent another idiot from discharging a firearm into the air... Do they think someone who doesn't know or doesn't care to obey the firearm safety rules is going to pay attention to any laws in effect?

Maybe not, but with a law they can throw the idiot's a*s in jail.

 

[fabsroman]

That is common in many MD counties already. Do you really want some nut job with a weapon shooting into the air 450 feet from your house where you kids are out in the yard with their sparklers or watching fireworks? What is the likelihood that celebratory gunfire also involves the consumption of copious amounts of alcohol?

Yeah, I do have an issue with the written permission to discharge a firearm on public property. There are plenty of wildlife management zones owned by the state that a person can hunt in without having to contact anybody special. We have a couple here in Howard County and then there is MCkee Beshers (sp.) in Montgomery County. I really do not feel like getting written permission every time I want to hunt on one of those pieces of public property.

As far as firing a gun into the air, wouldn't a charge of reckless endangerment cover that? I would think so. Reckless endangerment makes it illegal for a person to engage in any activity that creates a substantial risk of death or serious injury. I think firing a gun into the air would suffice. I also think that firing a gun toward a dwelling would fall under this category. Reckless endangerment carries a sentence of 5 years and/or $5,000 and it is a misdemeanor.

So, I think there is plenty already on the books to charge somebody that is being reckless with a firearm. The person that killed the 10 year old girl as a result of celebratory gun fire should be charged with manslaughter. Just like killing a person while driving 100 mph in a 50. That is vehicular manslaughter. Do we really need a firearm manslaughter charge.

Me, I am sick and tired of the code books continuing to grow with additional laws that we already have on the books.

If somebody wants to be stupid with a gun, there are already enough laws on the books to punish them severely for it. Enforce the laws and make them pay.

I have mixed feelings about the entire 150 yards away from a dwelling to discharge a firearm. I hunt a 120 acre farm and it is actually somewhat difficult to find a place on the farm to fire a shotgun 150 yards away from any dwelling. If somebody is shooting a rifle, does 150 yards really mean anything? Again, just another stupid law to punish those that will abide by it. Granted, I can see an issue with hunting right on a property line when a house is 30 feet away and the people have to listen to the noise all day long (i.e., during dove season). However, 150 yards is quite a ways away for noise issues and not far enough away for slugs, bullets, etc. if somebody is going to be dumb enough to shoot toward a house with them.

 

[fabsroman]

That yard law is for hunting. Not target shooting.

The 150 yard law is the state law and it does only pertain to hunting.

In Howard County, you can ONLY discharge a firearm while:
1) Hunting,
2) Shooting at a varmint on the ground,
3) Shooting at a certified shooting range, and
4) Shooting in self defense.

If you own 500 acres in Howard County, you cannot go out there and target shoot or you are in violation of this county ordinance. So, the 150 state distance for hunting is a non-issue in Howard County. Essentially, celebratory gun fire and target shooting are illegal on your own property, no matter how far you are from the neighbor.

 

[John from MD]

"Me, I am sick and tired of the code books continuing to grow with additional laws that we already have on the books.
If somebody wants to be stupid with a gun, there are already enough laws on the books to punish them severely for it. Enforce the laws and make them pay."

+1 No pro gun citizen in this State should be supporting any new gun restrictions. Remember "common sense gun laws" is the number 1 phrase used by the anti gun crowd. Criminals are not following the laws that exist.

The only people who will be burned by these new laws are the honest citizen that doesn't have his PHD in Maryland Laws.

I can just see a GI moving up to Ceciltuckey taking his son out back to shoot Colibri ammo at a dugout backstop. His neighbor 100 yards away does the "right thing", according to the DEMS and calls Officer Krumkey. He gets arrested, loses his job, loses his house, wife etc. because he wanted to share with his son shooting great grand dad's .22.

NO MORE GUN LAWS!!!!

John

 

[fabsroman]

So let's dissect the other things.
Do you want anyone discharging a firearm on YOUR property without your permission?
Do you want your neighbor shooting in the direction of your house or child's school?
Do you think people should shoot in public parks without prior permission?
Do you want someone shooting across your property within 450 feet of your house?

Again, these seem like common sense. But what serves as common sense for me may be a different version of common sense in Cecil County. Not having ever been there to my knowledge, I can't speculate on just what is considered firearm safety there.

No matter which way you fire your gun, it is in the direction of a house, school, or other building. The only question is how far away that house, school, or building is. You are right though, I surely do NOT want anybody firing a .300 Win Mag or .50 BMG toward my house, even if they are 2 miles away. Easiest way to deal with that issue is to BAN all centerfire rifles.

Oh yeah, we already have reckless endangerment if my neighbor comes out of the house firing off rounds from his AR toward my house. However, another law passed in this regard might make him understand that doing so is not a good idea.

If somebody is going to be stupid enough to do something like this, I don't think drafting a law up saying it is illegal will prevent it. Pretty sure firing a gun in Baltimore City is illegal almost everywhere, but a little girl got shot from celebratory gun fire in her house when her great grandfather touched off a .22lr on the 4th of July that he thought was loaded with blanks.

Edit to add: I don't want anybody shooting across my property even if it is 2 miles away. Please keep the bullets on your property. 450 feet is nothing for a rifle as far as kinetic energy is concerned. However, if you are shooting at game and the bullet trajectory will end up in the dirt on my property, I would not have an issue with it. Shooting across my property, completely different issue, from any range whatsoever.

 

[fabsroman]

you can't legislate stupidity

stupid people don't know they are stupid and passing new laws will not make them smarter

IMHO

Pass an anti stupidity law. Anybody below a certain IQ or education level loses their Constitutional Rights. No more free speech. No more voting. No more firearms. I am sure I am missing a bunch of things here.

Oh yeah, subject them to unreasonable search and seizure and cruel and unusual punishment too.