I find these things more humorous than anything. If you like a 9mm, use it. If you like 10mm use it. If you like a .45 use it. If you fire something and don't like it, then the odds are you will not use it. If you don't use it, how will you become proficient with it?
I find these things more humorous than anything. If you like a 9mm, use it. If you like 10mm use it. If you like a .45 use it. If you fire something and don't like it, then the odds are you will not use it. If you don't use it, how will you become proficient with it?
2200 fps is for a .308 bullet. What speed for a bigger bullet? If I can get a bullet with a diameter of 0.401" going 1800 fps, will that be sufficient? I don't think the original 45-70 was doing better than 1400 fps in the original BP load, but it sure killed a lot of buffalo, and still does.
We've come to the point of LCD, and it's appalling.
What is this LCD thing?
So the take away is: use a rifle
So the take away is: use a rifle
Correct.
Handguns are used to get to your long gun...
A rifle has it's merits as does a handgun. Each is a tool with a specific job to do. It's when you confuse which tool to use for an intended job, does it become a problem. This can also be used in the caliber argument. Not much need to carry around a 454 Casull most of the time. But when you need it, there's no substitute.
Damn right. I won't carry my Glock 19 on the Montana hiking trips.
You do realize that Alaskan statics indicate that almost anything 9mm and above is effective against all bears based on real world shootings there now.
When I lived there you only had FMJ and lead bullets so big bore magnum handguns were the norm. Apparently bullet design is more important than caliber based on the latest study there. So I guess the FBI and the bullet makers are correct.
37 bear attack shootings dated from 1987 to 2018 97% success rate, calibers from 9mm to .454 Casull. Most from Alaska and some from the lower 48.
4 9mm shootings 100% success rate.
3 .357Mag revolvers 66% success rate.
3 .40S&W shootings 100% success rate.
1 10mm shooting 100% success rate.
2 41Mag revolvers 100% success rate.
12 44Mag revolvers 100% success rate.
4 .45ACP shootings 100% success rate.
1 .45 Super shooting 100% success rate.
1 .454 Casull shooting 100% success rate.
3 unidentified handguns 100% success rate.
8 were against black bears and 27 against grizzlies (2 unidentified).
And in the case of the .454 Casull shooting 4-5 rounds were fired but the bear was finished off with a rifle.
Of the 4 9mm incidents 3 grizzlies were killed and one black bear was wounded and ran off.
Now this is a limited study based around known encounters and obviously does not take into account some unsuccessful ones that either the bears won or not enough info was known. There are some studies of a few hundred incidents that indicate handgun success rates as low as 60%. Most data also indicates that bear spray is highly successful also in preventing lethal incidents to both the bears and people.