Buying A Complete Lower

[Dizzle]

I bought a complete lower that comes with an adjustable stock (Ruger 8516) But I didn't buy an Upper for it yet. Can I change the stock to a shockwave blade and make it into a pistol configuration or am I stuck leaving it like it is?

 

[gwchem]

Does the 77r paperwork say "rifle", "pistol" or "other"?

 

[Dizzle]

I did not complete any paperwork for it yet it is being shipped to my FFL...

 

[boothdoc]

I suggest you consult your FFL who has the particulars

 

[outrider58]

Then make sure it is transferred as "other" . If FFL insists on rifle, either walk away or no pistol. It's better if you figure this out before hand.

 

[Dizzle]

It is legal to be transferred for whatever use it is intended for right? I can use the stock on one of my ar15s at home and just put a shockwave blade on the complete lower...

Do I have to get an HBAR pistol upper? Any suggestions for a super reliable 10.5 inch complete upper?

 

[NateIU10]

It is legal to be transferred for whatever use it is intended for right? I can use the stock on one of my ar15s at home and just put a shockwave blade on the complete lower...

Do I have to get an HBAR pistol upper? Any suggestions for a super reliable 10.5 inch complete upper?

The dealer is obligated to transfer a firearm as it sits. A receiver with a buttstock is an “other” and must be transferred that way on a 4473. A receiver may be built into a pistol as long as it didn’t start life as a rifle.

 

[CodeWarrior1241]

Related to this - does the stripped lower, if sold as a pistol (waiting period, etc.) - require the owner to have an HQL in order to actually be built as such? I saw both answers in prior threads, wanted to clear that up... Wouldn't make sense that the HQL is required, but MD laws have never ceased to surprise me before.

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[Biggfoot44]

What Nate said.

A stripped ( or complete ) Lower is not sold as a "Pistol" . It is sold as "regulated" , using 77R, 7days , etc . HQL is NOT required .

( There is no statatory basis to require a 77R , but this is Maryland, and MSP does what they do. But lawsuits aren't cheap, and must be prioritized . )

 

[Hawkeye]

The dealer is obligated to transfer a firearm as it sits. A receiver with a buttstock is an “other” and must be transferred that way on a 4473. A receiver may be built into a pistol as long as it didn’t start life as a rifle.

What Nate said.

It doesn't matter if the lower has a stock on it. It can not legally be a rifle until it has all of the defining physical characteristics of a rifle, one of which is a rifled barrel.

Until that lower has both a shoulder stock and a rifled barrel on it at the same time it is not a rifle.

As long as you don't put a barrel on it first, you can take it home, take the stock off, and build a pistol out of it.

 

[Hawkeye]

Related to this - does the stripped lower, if sold as a pistol (waiting period, etc.) - require the owner to have an HQL in order to actually be built as such?

No. You only need an HQL to buy a pistol, not to possess or make one. The lower is an "other," and not a pistol, so you don't need an HQL to buy it.

You can make all the pistols you want by yourself and not need an HQL. You only need one to buy a pistol.

 

[Racer Doug14]

OP, you seem to be walking the line. I'd be careful of your wording. Only because tour asking for advice without full disclosure of your final firearm. Your wanting to build a pistol? You'll toss the buffer tube,buffer and stock.

 

[Biggfoot44]

The only potential "line" I see from the OP would be if ATF has still another Advisory Letter about brace thingies. Buying a complete Lower, and removing a stock, and replacing with pistol type buffer tube is legit .

 

[Racer Doug14]

I'm sure he's a big boy. Just don't put a shorter than 16" brl upper on that lower. Unless you change the stock out.

 

[Dizzle]

I had originally planned on making a rifle similar to the Ruger AR556 MPR but it is illegal in MD so I decided to find a complete lower (Ruger 8516) which comes with the Ruger 4.5lb 2 stage trigger as well as some Magpul furniture.

I want to buy a 300BLK upper that is probably 8.5 inches long and build this thing into a pistol first using a shockwave blade and kak buffer tube (I have heard it's a nice snug fit) The whole thing comes together in a KAK SHOCKWAVE PACKAGE...I would like to use this as a hunting option for larger game as it's light and packs a punch not losing much velocity in a small barrel.

Anyway, if you have any suggestions at all for a complete 300BLK upper (8-9") or 556 upper (16"-18") to use that is reliable and inexpensive please share some links. I am completely unable to find much at all...

 

[outrider58]

No suggestions on 300 aac uppers, but there are plenty of them out there. Make damn sure the transfer reads "other" and make damn sure you build it into a pistol first. It is illegal to convert a rifle into a pistol unless that rifle actually started out as a pistol.

 

[Dizzle]

Will do outrider! Thank you very much for the advice... I will take pictures of the entire process and keep them in a safe place.

 

[Squaregrouper]

I had originally planned on making a rifle similar to the Ruger AR556 MPR but it is illegal in MD so I decided to find a complete lower (Ruger 8516) which comes with the Ruger 4.5lb 2 stage trigger as well as some Magpul furniture.

I want to buy a 300BLK upper that is probably 8.5 inches long and build this thing into a pistol first using a shockwave blade and kak buffer tube (I have heard it's a nice snug fit) The whole thing comes together in a KAK SHOCKWAVE PACKAGE...I would like to use this as a hunting option for larger game as it's light and packs a punch not losing much velocity in a small barrel.

Anyway, if you have any suggestions at all for a complete 300BLK upper (8-9") or 556 upper (16"-18") to use that is reliable and inexpensive please share some links. I am completely unable to find much at all...

Check Palmetto State Armory for a .300 BO upper. I have a 8.5" one and like it.
Make sure you get the shockwave first, or at least remove the stock and buffer first- don't want to have a rifle lower and <16" barrel together at the same time (illegal SBR if assembled)

 

[Racer Doug14]

+1 for PSA, also check Primary Arms. They run specials all the time. Engage Armament in Kensington has Hbar .223 barrel often. They could build you something too. Check them out in the "Industry Partners " part of the forum.