I just do not get why, given the wait times for form 4 vs form 1, somebody doesn't sell a complete suppressor kit.
They have many sites that sell Form 1 kits. if you do it right they are just as good as Form 4s if not better.
I just do not get why, given the wait times for form 4 vs form 1, somebody doesn't sell a complete suppressor kit.
Thats the way it goes with cans. You buy into a mount system. It not just DA, but all cans have adaptors for different calibers. The 5/8x24 thread adapter for my SiCo cans about the same price. So either pick QD mount and get one for each hosts or buy the thread adaptors. You still will have to spend money one way or another.
I’ve got an Omega 300 in NFA jail. Yup. Sorta sucks. I am a direct thread all the way kind of person. Honestly in looking at .223 bolt guns (only have ARs in 223) a selling feature is 5/8x24 threading so I don’t need to swap anything on the can. Make things simpler. I DID order a 1/2x28 Mount. So it’ll fit my .223 ARs (will likely live on my Howa mini 6.5 Grendel most of the time or my 6.5G AR)
At least I didn’t get the different end cap. .30 cal cap is just fine.
Don’t think I’ll QD it, even though it comes with the QD Mount and one muzzle device. Though I light out the device on my AR-10. Dunno.
I think this is specifically why a lot of people on the internet may have so much heartburn with the Wolfman rollout. Dead Air made a phenomenal PCC can, and was like “oh by the way if you buy $250 worth of add ons that increase weight/length and then buy into our key micro length muzzle devices at $100 a pop then you can use it on a bunch of other stuff too.” People skipped past the part where it was designed as a PCC can and focused on the other part. The KeyMicro adapters have been contentious to get ahold of, and as far as I know only the KeyMicro muzzle devices and JMAC aftermarket micro sized muzzle devices fit.No real reason for buyers remorse, just might be best on a host you don't have yet, or might fill a more specialized role, and other cans will be better for most of the hosts you have now.
I think this is specifically why a lot of people on the internet may have so much heartburn with the Wolfman rollout. Dead Air made a phenomenal PCC can, and was like “oh by the way if you buy $250 worth of add ons that increase weight/length and then buy into our key micro length muzzle devices at $100 a pop then you can use it on a bunch of other stuff too.” People skipped past the part where it was designed as a PCC can and focused on the other part. The KeyMicro adapters have been contentious to get ahold of, and as far as I know only the KeyMicro muzzle devices and JMAC aftermarket micro sized muzzle devices fit.
For my part, I got exactly what I envisioned, a Fantastic PCC can with trilug, but then decided I could have used the same amount of money to buy a Rex ModX that would do a lot more. In retrospect, the ModX weighs about 20oz without muzzle device and adapter, and the Griffin Plan A for the Wolfman is really long, so maybe my impatience benefitted me in the long run. Saved myself about half a pound just in the suppressor, or the added length with the Plan A. Not like I have a shortage of other cans for my other rifles.
Incidentally, the Wolfman is supposed to be Dead Air’s best sounding can with .300blk subs, in case anyone wanted to use one for that.
Just out of curiosity, I looked up a Wolfman since I am not familiar with it. It states its comes with a 1/2x28 (some 9mm and 22) and if you want to use it on anything else, you need to purchase additional mounts/adaptors.
On the website, it says multi caliber, which means multiple adaptors.
"it’s a modular, multi-caliber suppressor. It specializes in subgun, light-duty rifle, and pistol use. "
All multi cal cans require multiple adaptors. Take a look at the Hybrid. It has about 30 different setups in which you can use it. Most will require some additional purchase. I got a whole box of parts for that. That includes pistons, ASR mounts and thread adaptors.
I am sorry if you felt misled, but it is stated right on the website it's intended use and has the list of adaptors that are available.
I understand your concern. I have one can I bought on a whim (read I was called and offered an incredible deal). I did not know it was intended to be run wet and used wipes. My bad for not researching it. But for the price. I am ok with that. I still use that can on occasion.
Maybe you ask them to swap the mount out.
I think this is specifically why a lot of people on the internet may have so much heartburn with the Wolfman rollout. Dead Air made a phenomenal PCC can, and was like “oh by the way if you buy $250 worth of add ons that increase weight/length and then buy into our key micro length muzzle devices at $100 a pop then you can use it on a bunch of other stuff too.” People skipped past the part where it was designed as a PCC can and focused on the other part. The KeyMicro adapters have been contentious to get ahold of, and as far as I know only the KeyMicro muzzle devices and JMAC aftermarket micro sized muzzle devices fit.
For my part, I got exactly what I envisioned, a Fantastic PCC can with trilug, but then decided I could have used the same amount of money to buy a Rex ModX that would do a lot more. In retrospect, the ModX weighs about 20oz without muzzle device and adapter, and the Griffin Plan A for the Wolfman is really long, so maybe my impatience benefitted me in the long run. Saved myself about half a pound just in the suppressor, or the added length with the Plan A. Not like I have a shortage of other cans for my other rifles.
Incidentally, the Wolfman is supposed to be Dead Air’s best sounding can with .300blk subs, in case anyone wanted to use one for that.
Thank you for your compliment. I do my best to be thoughtful when I post. Probably causes a lot of people to skip over all my various walls of text, but I can’t change who I am.You should be an author. Your posts are always so well written lol.
My argument is that the wolfman is marketed as a subgun can, yet you can’t use it on 300blk sub guns, which are a huge part of the subgun market, without buying at minimum a 90 dollar thread adapter, and even then you can only shoots subsonic rounds through that.
So In reality, if you don’t drop AT LEAST 430 dollars additionally into the wolfman, you’ll never be able to run 300blk supers through it along with 9mm.
Which is ridiculous considering the sandman line, which costs 40 dollars more for a sandman s, comes with the qd system and a brake for it.
It’s almost insulting in my opinion that at a minimum, dead air didn’t include a 5/8x24 thread adapter to allow subsonic 300blk subgun use, for what this can costs.
I let them know that, very professionally and constructively in an email.
If you ever think of selling the QD mount and muzzle device, I would be interested.
Thank you for your compliment. I do my best to be thoughtful when I post. Probably causes a lot of people to skip over all my various walls of text, but I can’t change who I am.
Dead Air is good people, but they are Engineering and Marketing people. Their entire brand is structured around getting you to adopt the Dead Air lifestyle, so the likelihood they are going to throw in a bunch of accessories like Griffin Armament does with their modular cans is unlikely (and actually GA has cut way back since I bought my Optimus back in the day). That’s where all Dead Air’s profit is.
Yeah, you can use any KeyMicro sized muzzle device on anything set up for KeyMo. So Sandman KeyMo series, or any suppressor you’ve got set up for KeyMo with an adapter. Just no full sized KeyMo muzzle devices on KeyMicro suppressors (so far that’s just the discontinued Wolf, Wolfman, and Ghost).Small caveat, the sandman will work over top of any micro brake bought for the wolfman series. So it doesn’t hurt so bad if you plan on buying into the sandman series at some point.
Not to dissuade someone from buying a new suppressor or anything, but you should probably get ahold of this fellow:Wow what timing.... I have a AAC 762-SDN-6 and it's a fantastic can that is supper durable. The only problem is finding the AAC 51T muzzle brake so I can swap it between rifles. They are now 100% unavailable in the .30 cal 5/8x24 thread pitch. Even used they are like hens teeth. Now it's time for me to invest in another can for my other rifles. I hate this sh-t.
If anyone has a lead on one I'd love to buy it.
Not to dissuade someone from buying a new suppressor or anything, but you should probably get ahold of this fellow:
Nick (ECCO Machine and Fabrication)
(303) 990-7953
eccomachine@yahoo.com
He will convert your AAC can to the mounting system of your choice for a very reasonable price.