Auction Arms bru ha ha

[Machodoc]

The site can't really do much other than ban him ... and I think that they should. After all, they are the ones who remind bidders that a bid is a contract.

 

[Jimbob2.0]

Here's a cautionary tale for my friends here...
Last week I found a nice CZ-27 listed on Auction Arms w. no reserve and a start price of $225. Last night I noticed that nobody had bid on it so I put in a $250 proxy bid and two hrs later got an automated email stating that I was the winner for $225. Cool! A very nice example for about $100-150 under market price.
Not five minutes later a new AA email pops up telling me that the very same CZ-27 has been relisted. WTF?!!
Then I get another email from the seller stating "Unfortunately I cannot sell this to you for $225. I made a mistake listing it for $225 when it should have been $425." WTF??!!!
So I email AAs person in charge of disputes...
"Sirs,
Received this email from seller of this CZ27. I am curious as to how he can back out of the auction result and re-list it. Mine was the sole bid placed approx 2 hrs before the auction closed so he had ample opportunity to edit or close the listing. What gives? Is this a valid transaction or not?
Obviously I cannot coerce him into selling and at this point I would assume that my only recourse is negative feedback but I would like to know what the policy of Auction Arms is in this instance."
And here's his reply to me...
"No, what he is doing is wrong, and yes your only recourse at this time is leaving negative feedback, we will keep an eye on him though."
Now this lot sat for 6 days 22 hours before the first and only bid was entered so the seller had that period of time to either edit or pull the listing and he didn't. So I'm left to assume he didn't get the price he wanted and just took his toy to another playground. Very poor form.
It's not the end of the world, my life, and the search for a nice CZ-27, goes on. Just know that even when the hammer drops and you're the high bidder it's not a guarantee that it's yours until it's in your bound book!

Bummer, I didnt think they could close once a bid was in play. AA has gotten a little weird lately. There haggle feature itself is problematic.

 

[todbiker]

This is a load of crap, that guy's a clown and and the auction company should ban this guy immediately. If you bid, your bid was the only bid and there was no reserve beyond a starting price you bid beyond, that was your gun.
If your only recourse is bad feedback, I would make it crystal clear this guy is not to be trusted, so no one else meets the same fate and this a*sclown sells nothing.

 

[gmhowell]

Screw that $600 bid. Give us the link to the seller. Anonymous may not be your personal army, but I'll be a footsoldier. I'll run every auction he runs up to 10k. After a month of cancelled auctions, maybe he'll get tired of it and at least apologize.

I'm glad someone linked to the TOS. From a legal perspective, you could go after him. No idea what the law is currently, but you might need to make several cases, in MD, in his state, in AA's state of incorporation and perhaps others, as well as federal. Not worth it just due to filing fees.

Morally/ethically, it's just down to you have to eat it. Post feedback, walk away. But you also owe it to the seller and your fellow enthusiasts to post his name here.

And despite the trollish comments in the first paragraph, I probably wouldn't mess with more than one or two of his auctions. And if you are really worried about it, I wouldn't mess with any. Not getting immediate revenge is of secondary importance to having a piss poor seller's name out there.

 

[rico903]

That thought did cross my mind!

I wouldn't do that. Not only would you get neg, feed back but most auction sites state that a bid is a binding contract. It works both ways, He should have to sell the gun to you at your bid. The only out I see for him is if he had a reserve on it.

 

[Maverick0313]

nothing new.. welcome to ecommerce.. where bs is rampant.

What he said....

 

[johnnyu]

pfffft. I won an auction, thought the gun was illegal in MD, told the seller, he got me blacklisted neg fedback, then I went to buy it anyway, and am still blacklisted all over a misunderstanding. Whats with auction arms and there one strike rule?

 

[yellowsled]

pfffft. I won an auction, thought the gun was illegal in MD, told the seller, he got me blacklisted neg fedback, then I went to buy it anyway, and am still blacklisted all over a misunderstanding. Whats with auction arms and there one strike rule?

Did you not expect him to be mad?

 

[Docster]

Was looking, but can't find where it's listed anymore. Wanted in inquire if this was the same gun that was just listed as sold........

 

[metalman3006]

Did you not expect him to be mad?

I have done this too in the past, for this reason and buyers remorse, and have usually offered to pay re-listing fees. Usually the regular fees and a small ransom, $10.00 to $20.00.

 

[yellowsled]

I am dealing with a fukctard right now with GB. He bought a rifle and he lives in Cali. He said he is not sure if he can accept it as he just has has C&R. Its a C&R rifle. I rold him to find a FFL01 I send it to and wont sent payment even though he won. I think he is having buyers remorse and is just not paying.

Why bid or commit to buy or bid to win if you wont follow through. I understand a loss of job or illness, but buyers remorse is BS.

 

[Docster]

Sometimes I think people like to bid as a form of playing, or to hike up the price for someone else, then they are surprised to find they are stuck with the winning bid....

 

[Sirex]

I have been burned quite a few times on Ebay. Now it's almost impossible to leave bad feedback for a buyer. I haven't sold on GB yet, mostly Armslist due to it being FREE and local. I am a little dismayed I have gotten burned on here quite a few times as well. People have clicked commit, they PM me saying they'd like to meet up, then I never hear back. Part of doing commerce and thinning the herd I suppose.

Anyways, since this original thread was from last year, hope the OP found what he was looking for.

 

[Oldcarjunkie]

Post his handle here nd on gun boards with a warning to others. Bet he is on there.

 

[yellowsled]

Post his handle here nd on gun boards with a warning to others. Bet he is on there.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewUserFeedback.aspx?User=2139054

mosinlvr


Did a quick googlefu, he is not active on forums much. I hae seen some old posts from him.

 

[mawkie]

I have been burned quite a few times on Ebay. Now it's almost impossible to leave bad feedback for a buyer. I haven't sold on GB yet, mostly Armslist due to it being FREE and local. I am a little dismayed I have gotten burned on here quite a few times as well. People have clicked commit, they PM me saying they'd like to meet up, then I never hear back. Part of doing commerce and thinning the herd I suppose.

Anyways, since this original thread was from last year, hope the OP found what he was looking for.

Oh yes I did, thanks for asking! Douche bag did me a favor in the end...

 

[Sirex]

Cool, looks very nice.

 

[Docster]

Just reread some if the earlier posts and noted a familiar nonsense reaction that was unexpected-blame the victim.

Whether or not this seller 'made a mistake' or not, or the deal was ' too good to be true', the seller was legally and morally obligated to finish the deal. An honorable person takes responsibility for ALL his actions, even his mistakes.

Blaming the victim, even a little, and not making people take responsibility, is what liberals do

 

[zoostation]

As I recall AA was never slow to boot a buyer for not paying.