ATF Coming After Firearms with Stabilizing Braces

[TinCuda]

If our country still has any justice left, this ATF rule will never stand up in court.

District of Columbia v. Heller​

JAIME CAETANO v. MASSACHUSETTS

New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen​

They are going to keep poking the bear. The left is trying to manipulate definitions to fall within existing laws because they know that they don't have the support to create new anti-gun laws. What they don't understand is that Republicans as well as lots of democrats don't support these anti 2nd Amendment shenanigans. This current regime is going to screw around just enough for this whole movement to blow up in their collective pasty faces. The vast pro gun community will rise up and overturn the 1934 NFA and the 1968 gun control acts. You can't change a definition to fit a law that doesn't exist!

 

[Bob A]

There should be sufficient folks with standing to sue. My 300BO with a 7.5" bbl will never pass muster in MD. Paying to rebuild with a pistol buffer would be annoying; so would trashing my braces, in the interest of "constructive possession" charges.

 

[Growler215]

I agree it's all speculation right now. But imma be real pissed if I get a 10.5 lower and then have to register it as a SBR and its not MD compliant if it's under 29". I just want some clear answers before I but my upper kit.

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A 10.5 inch upper will make 29" OAL with a VLTOR A5 buffer tube. An A5 buffer tube, A5 buffer, and rifle spring will set you back about $100, though.

 

[Doctor_M]

I don't see any way to get an AK pistol to lenght.

 

[Occam]

I don't see any way to get an AK pistol to lenght.

You have to measure it at your new property in West Virginia.

 

[Doctor_M]

LoL. You are not wrong about that.

 

[W2D]

So will CNN (or GOA) spin this as the “ATF allowing millions of short barreled rifles to be made by waving the fee”?

Could we use this as a way to shame them into retracting the rule?


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[lazarus]

Anyone know where I can find where it spells out the 29" OAL is with the stock/brace extended in order to be MD compliant?

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ATF. That is how they measure SBRs. I am not sure which regulation or technical branch bulletin it is in. Maryland just says 29" OAL. It does not say in law or COMAR how that is measured. The ATF does spell out how the technical branch measures to determine the OAL of a firearm. And it is with any stock of brace full extended to the end of any permanently attached muzzle device and spells out how they define permanently attached for a muzzle device (pin and welded or silver soldered effectively).

MD is mum. I suppose it is possible MSP will decide to do something different than ATF and decide to charge you because they think it should be the OAL with stock or brace fully retracted.

For an SBR though, it is ATF approving it, and they won't if it is shorter than 29" OAL by their metrics.

 

[jrumann59]

so if I am reading this right, all my 2013 stripped lowers should be submitted to ATF as SBRs?????

 

[mvee]

What would happen if someone registered 16 and 20 inch braced pistols. According to Maryland there is no maximum length for a pistol, is there? What would that do to the atf registry?

 

[Speed3]

What would happen if someone registered 16 and 20 inch braced pistols. According to Maryland there is no maximum length for a pistol, is there? What would that do to the atf registry?

Genius, only own SBRs LOL

 

[Worsley]

Genius, only own SBRs LOL

Just don't ever move out of state? I hear SBRs are a nightmare to move state to state.

 

[erwos]

so if I am reading this right, all my 2013 stripped lowers should be submitted to ATF as SBRs?????

Only if you want them to become post-2013 SBRs. The Sig brace only came out in mid-2013, you could not really claim it was in that configuration prior to the ban.

 

[platoonDaddy]

Great video on the Pistol Brace Amnesty

 

[TinCuda]

Great video on the Pistol Brace Amnesty

This is completely ridiculous. This brace rule will never work. Pandora's box is open and this is with out question unenforceable. There is no way for the ATF to have any idea who took the braces off and who left them on.

 

[TinCuda]

Nah, they will just let local LEOs do it one at a time when someone gets caught with one at the range or in their car.

Maybe, but folks could just take them off.

Just under half of the States and over half of the individual counties in the USA are 2nd amendment sanctuaries. I don't know about all of them, but here in Texas, it prohibits local and state law enforcement to help the ATF arrest anyone on a federal charge that is not also specifically illegal in the state of Texas, and pistol arm braces are not illegal in Texas.

 

[govwontletmebuycoolguns]

My plan:

Step 1 - Free SBR stamp

Step 2 - https://www.maximdefense.com/product/cqb-buttstock-only/

Step 3 -

 

[Combloc]

That's an exceedingly shortsighted plan.

 

[River02]

Maybe, but folks could just take them off.

Just under half of the States and over half of the individual counties in the USA are 2nd amendment sanctuaries. I don't know about all of them, but here in Texas, it prohibits local and state law enforcement to help the ATF arrest anyone on a federal charge that is not also specifically illegal in the state of Texas, and pistol arm braces are not illegal in Texas.

Ima like Texas---

 

[govwontletmebuycoolguns]

That's an exceedingly shortsighted plan.

Well, until it's called unconstitutional, in which case I get my $0 back. I see this as an opportunity to to take a 11.5" pistol I own, put a stock on it, and be legal all the way around.

Where you're coming from isn't lost on me, but I will take legal advantage of every shortsighted fvckup they make and play within the rules.

Otherwise it's back to the pistol buffer with the foam pad.