The one at the range with the tape measure probably knows.
MD still has OAL length requirement for rifles, so if it has a stock it has to meet MD and ATF standardsYes but what happens if an ar is sbr'ed with a 12.5 barrel making it long enough per MD law. Then federally its legal to change the upper to a 8 inch barrel, if its a short term swap no need to notify the ATF. The atf does not say once it has a 12.5 barrel it has to have a 12.5 barrel. Is the stamp voided, no. Now its just not legal per maryland, you could go to PA ( with the proper paperwork ) and put on a 8 inch barrel and shoot it perfectly legally. Question is how many cops would even know that technically putting on the 8 inch barreled upper on approved sbr would be a no no in MD.
I guess this is a see nothing, know nothing, answer.
Federal measurement requirement, guidance from ATF.Do you know where it is written that the measurement should be made with stock fully extended and not collapsed?
Thanks in advance
If you form 1 it at 12.5" that it the shortest barrel you can legally have on the firearm under federal law. If you put the 8" barrel on, and by some extreme stroke of bad luck (Not sure how/what), you have ATF check your firearm against your paperwork, you are probably going to be charged federally.Yes but what happens if an ar is sbr'ed with a 12.5 barrel making it long enough per MD law. Then federally its legal to change the upper to a 8 inch barrel, if its a short term swap no need to notify the ATF.
ATF doesn't but federal law does.The atf does not say once it has a 12.5 barrel it has to have a 12.5 barrel.
No you can't, and further to go to PA, I believe you ned to notify the ATF as well.Is the stamp voided, no. Now its just not legal per maryland, you could go to PA ( with the proper paperwork ) and put on a 8 inch barrel and shoot it perfectly legally. Question is how many cops would even know that technically putting on the 8 inch barreled upper on approved sbr would be a no no in MD.
I guess this is a see nothing, know nothing, answer.
I did say with proper paperwork, I know about the 5320.20No you can't, and further to go to PA, I believe you ned to notify the ATF as well.
I read right over that part (oops)I did say with proper paperwork, I know about the 5320.20
not per this lawyerIf you form 1 it at 12.5" that it the shortest barrel you can legally have on the firearm under federal law. If you put the 8" barrel on, and by some extreme stroke of bad luck (Not sure how/what), you have ATF check your firearm against your paperwork, you are probably going to be charged federally.
That is the worst case, by the letter of the law, example.
ATF doesn't but federal law does.
You are still required to abide by MD law no matter what you WANT to do. You can go shorter than 12.5" but it must stay at least 29" OAL. So your 8" statement is illegal under MD law, due to it coming in around 27" OAL. But if you want to FAaFO with the ATF and MSP, be my guest.Yes but what happens if an ar is sbr'ed with a 12.5 barrel making it long enough per MD law. Then federally its legal to change the upper to a 8 inch barrel, if its a short term swap no need to notify the ATF. The atf does not say once it has a 12.5 barrel it has to have a 12.5 barrel. Is the stamp voided, no. Now its just not legal per maryland, you could go to PA ( with the proper paperwork ) and put on a 8 inch barrel and shoot it perfectly legally. Question is how many cops would even know that technically putting on the 8 inch barreled upper on approved sbr would be a no no in MD.
I guess this is a see nothing, know nothing, answer.
Oh I know it is not legal to go under the 29 in MD, I am just curious how many cops would even know.You are still required to abide by MD law no matter what you WANT to do. You can go shorter than 12.5" but it must stay at least 29" OAL. So your 8" statement is illegal under MD law, due to it coming in around 27" OAL. But if you want to FAaFO with the ATF and MSP, be my guest.
Rimfire must be a dedicated upper to be able to qualify for the 556 barrel does not qualify for the exemption, because it can be fitted with a standard BCG.
Probably, most cops wouldn't even care. Even though it is a Maryland law(29"), I believe the offense would be a federal beef(NFA). Now, if you were caught breaking a Md law or two in the process, I could see it as an additional charge. If you feel a need to live on the wild side.Oh I know it is not legal to go under the 29 in MD, I am just curious how many cops would even know.
1000% what holds me backIf things do go bad hopefully the new demand for SBRs spurs development of a fold to side collapsing stock with very long length of pull.
In the age of 3D printing I can’t believe a good solution isn’t already available. I think the lack of stock options to comply with the 29” rule is holding more people back from SBRs then the $200 form 1.
^^^^^^^^Folding is an Evil Feature in itself .
Barring a complete turnover of the MGA for the better , if you asked them to revisit SBR , it would be to make it worse .
Only folders that allow guns to be fired while folded. LAW types are GTG.Folding is an Evil Feature in itself .
Barring a complete turnover of the MGA for the better , if you asked them to revisit SBR , it would be to make it worse .
Can you point out in SB281 where it says that?Only folders that allow guns to be fired while folded. LAW types are GTG.
This is what I go by. dblas is my unofficial authority on Md gun law. (screen shot below)Can you point out in SB281 where it says that?
All folders count as one evil feature on centerfire rifles.
"A folding stock." Thats it. NOWHERE does it mention capbility to fire. A folding stock, including the Law Tactical folder, counts as one feature.“COPYCAT WEAPON” MEANS:
A SEMIAUTOMATIC CENTERFIRE RIFLE THAT CAN
ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS ANY TWO OF THE FOLLOWING:
...
3. A FOLDING STOCK;
It technically is covered by the law. When folded, the stock prevents semiauto operation. The folding stock limitation only applies to semiauto centerfire rifles. Since the rifle is not semiauto when folded, the limitation ceases to be applicable.You didn't quote the actual MD law.
1) The Law Tactical folder DOES permit you to fire once when folded (Your quote from DBlas is technically wrong on that point.)
2) The MD law does not state it has to be able to fire when folded. The actual text is simply:
SB281 | Maryland 2013 | Firearm Safety Act of 2013 | TrackBill
Maryland SB281 2013 Establishing an exception to the prohibition against carrying a deadly weapon on public school property making it a misdemeanor to possess or use specified firearm ammunition during the commission of a crime of violence limiting the authorization for a person to wear carry or...trackbill.com
"A folding stock." Thats it. NOWHERE does it mention capbility to fire. A folding stock, including the Law Tactical folder, counts as one feature.
^This.If my rifle has a safety on, it can’t fire either. Doesn’t change what it is