Any one CC with empty chamber?

[Allan R]

Yep, it was my first post after introducing myself in the Newbie section. Now I'm trying to get some post count so I can do other stuff

 

[Biggfoot44]

How on Earth is this thread still going? What else can possibly be added to either side of the argument? Please stop this.

It's like a train wreck , that you can't look away .

 

[pbharvey]

 

[NoRumint]

Every refence I see aboutthe "Israeli method" begins with racking a round at presentation. Seems to add about a second to battery.
They know a little about guns.
What are the pros and cons?
Your practice?

If you're worried about accidental firing, or otherwise unsure, practice. Load and cock without a magazine, load your full mag, practice your draw, and carry for a week or two like that.
If, after some time, you don't accidentally fire with just a click, you'll convince yourself a load in the pipe is safe.

 

[Sunrise]

People can make their own decisions, but I never Israeli Carry. A picture is a thousand words. This video is a million.

Wow.

 

[Huckleberry]

I would would consider Israeli Carry if she asked me

And I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating matzos either

Nice Azz always makes go Cocked and Locked

 

[BurkeM]

 

[cmb]

If you're worried about accidental firing, or otherwise unsure, practice. Load and cock without a magazine, load your full mag, practice your draw, and carry for a week or two like that.
If, after some time, you don't accidentally fire with just a click, you'll convince yourself a load in the pipe is safe.

Gonna try that, thanks! My hands aren't very good after "relatively" successful surgery on both, so I've been 'taking my time' after getting my W&C last year.

 

[Tracker12]

Not sure why you would do that. If you are uncomfortable with carrying a gun with a round in the chamber leave it home.

 

[N3uka]

Saw this article in an email today from American hand gunner. Not trying to resurrect an argument but found it interesting.

A Non-Binary Look at Carrying with an Empty Chamber - American Handgunner

I have strong opinions about carrying with an empty chamber, but in fairness, I’m just like most other gun folks. We’re binary. Something is either the greatest thing ever or a bitter capsule of codswallop.

americanhandgunner.com

 

[dehos]

Not sure why you would do that. If you are uncomfortable with carrying a gun with a round in the chamber leave it home.

I've never carried because I am new to handguns but I hope I can become more comfortable by practicing carrying unchambered. I don't think leaving it at home will build the experience I need.

 

[Blaster229]

I've never carried because I am new to handguns but I hope I can become more comfortable by practicing carrying unchambered. I don't think leaving it at home will build the experience I need.

I'll say this again like I always say. Unload and make your gun empty and safe. Cock it. Carry it around the house, handle it, throw it down, put it in your pocket, place things in the trigger guard, etc... Do everything you can to make it go off without actually pressing the trigger. You will find that it is very difficult to do.
This will familiarize yourself with it and help you with the confidence you need to carry it hot.

 

[Art3]

I'll say this again like I always say. Unload and make your gun empty and safe. Cock it. Carry it around the house, handle it, throw it down, put it in your pocket, place things in the trigger guard, etc... Do everything you can to make it go off without actually pressing the trigger. You will find that it is very difficult to do.
This will familiarize yourself with it and help you with the confidence you need to carry it hot.

You are probably going to have to keep saying this for a long time...but thank you

 

[Sunrise]

I've never carried because I am new to handguns but I hope I can become more comfortable by practicing carrying unchambered. I don't think leaving it at home will build the experience I need.

Practice eventually becomes habit, and IMHO doing Israeli Carry is a bad idea unless you have 100% muscle memory that you're doing it when you do it. This muscle memory comes from always having done that way and never deviating from it. That's honestly very rare IMHO.

As for me: I would never Israeli Carry. Things happen too quickly and there are too many things that can go wrong in a scenario for a draw that allows for racking the slide to chamber a round. When I draw, I'm confident and practiced that my firearm is chambered every time for what I need it for.

I recommend you start carrying it empty without a magazine around your home first. You'll get over these initial jitters, but carrying with an empty chamber is a bad idea. Things happen too quickly, and I would never do it for that and many other reasons.

 

[Blaster229]

Practice eventually becomes habit, and IMHO doing Israeli Carry is a bad idea unless you have 100% muscle memory that you're doing it when you do it. This muscle memory comes from always having done that way and never deviating from it. That's honestly very rare IMHO.

As for me: I would never Israeli Carry. Things happen too quickly and there are too many things that can go wrong in a scenario for a draw that allows for racking the slide to chamber a round. When I draw, I'm confident and practiced that my firearm is chambered every time for what I need it for.

I recommend you start carrying it empty without a magazine around your home first. You'll get over these initial jitters, but carrying with an empty chamber is a bad idea. Things happen too quickly, and I would never do it for that and many other reasons.

100% muscle memory for Israeli carry is not even a concern for the carry. It has zero to do with Israeli carry. The possibility of not having your support hand available to perform that "100% muscle memory" ritual IS the concern.

 

[ezracer]

As for the OP's original post, I think with another 4-5000 posts we'll have the answer. Let's go !

 

[Sunrise]

100% muscle memory for Israeli carry is not even a concern for the carry. It has zero to do with Israeli carry. The possibility of not having your support hand available to perform that "100% muscle memory" ritual IS the concern.

If you haven't done Israeli Carry from the very beginning, then it absolutely is a muscle memory factor if it's a later-adopted practice.

It's the same reason I don't mix hammer and striker firearms.

Practice with one becomes habit.
Practice with the other becomes habit.

Forget there's a decocker on the hammer-fired one because you're gaining practice/habit with the striker-fired one which doesn't have a decocker..... You know the rest.

Not good to mix practice/habits here IMHO.

 

[Blaster229]

If you haven't done Israeli Carry from the very beginning, then it absolutely is a muscle memory factor if it's a later-adopted practice.

It's the same reason I don't mix hammer and striker firearms.

Practice with one becomes habit.
Practice with the other becomes habit.

Forget there's a decocker on the hammer-fired one because you're gaining practice/habit with the striker-fired one which doesn't have a decocker..... You know the rest.

Not good to mix practice/habits here IMHO.

Now you are just posting to watch yourself talk.
Muscle memory crap aside, the ISSUE with this carry is the probability of not having your hand available to cock the damn pistol, regardless of how good or bad your MUSCLE MEMORY is.

Mention muscle memory again and it will still be insignificant as to what's wrong with Israeli carry.

 

[jc1240]

As for the OP's original post, I think with another 4-5000 posts we'll have the answer. Let's go !

I'm still wondering how I can get used to carrying in condition 1.

 

[eruby]

I'm still wondering how I can get used to carrying in condition 1.

Buy a 1911

Then carry in Condition 1