HonestFool03
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- Feb 24, 2009
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I can cover you for a holster for that if u don't wanna start at low ready
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I’m looking at the December 12th match. Approximately, how many shotgun rounds would be needed?
Can someone direct me to the rules for this event. I wanna make sure I’m reading the correct rules.
I’ve shot an IPSC match in Ft Meade decades ago but I’m now wanting to return to competitive shooting.
I’m looking at the December 12th match. Approximately, how many shotgun rounds would be needed?
Can someone direct me to the rules for this event. I wanna make sure I’m reading the correct rules.
I’ve shot an IPSC match in Ft Meade decades ago but I’m now wanting to return to competitive shooting.
I'd like to sign up for falling steel, looks like lot of fun
Can I run a suppresor in PCC?
Which division would ar pistol fit in? Rimfire pistol or rifle? What is the minimum barrel length to make the steel fall in rimfire?
Really depends on how strictly we're enforcing the Steel Challenge ruleset. I don't believe braced pistols or PCCs with cans are legal for official SC matches. Something to ask the Match Director about.Falling steel would only be for handgun calibers 9mm, .40, .45 or .22 lr rimfire.
An AR style pistol in a pistol caliber listed above would be considered a PCC
Don’t know about the suppressor.
Sign up for it, it’s a blast
Really depends on how strictly we're enforcing the Steel Challenge ruleset. I don't believe braced pistols or PCCs with cans are legal for official SC matches. Something to ask the Match Director about.
The divisions are still based on the Steel Challenge divisions, though. One of the few weak points that outlaw steel at AGC has is that the rules are not entirely clear due to the somewhat haphazard exceptions to the official SC ruleset. (I'd be happy to draft a document to help resolve this problem if someone asked.)Well it’s not called steel challenge anymore and there are people shooting braced 9mm AR pistols every match
The divisions are still based on the Steel Challenge divisions, though. One of the few weak points that outlaw steel at AGC has is that the rules are not entirely clear due to the somewhat haphazard exceptions to the official SC ruleset. (I'd be happy to draft a document to help resolve this problem if someone asked.)
(I had to bump three guys in my squad into open at the last 3GN match because they friggin' threw dots in their pistols and then registered into tac scope/limited, so clarifying division equipment rules are on my mind lately.)
This is true, and I am aware of it because I check my scores pretty thoroughly. But you and I also know why it's true: because 1) most of the shooting is at 50yds and in, and 2) open catches a bunch of guys who aren't really running race gear because they simply don't want to deal with figuring out the right division. If we were at PNTC and shooting out to 500-600, I suspect the difference between tac limited and tac scope would widen considerably. If I could literally run only my CO pistol or only my PCC, I'd probably place top ten in any AGC multi-gun match that didn't use the 200yd range. (That isn't a demand for change, it's just an observation based on the last time I ran in 2gun there.)There’s reasoning behind a lot of this. The 3gun we follow mid Atlantic 3 gun but like I’ve mentioned before the time sheets don’t show a split as much as people may think. Tac limited and scope times are always really close and even most shooters in open are not beating the times in tac Ltd.
Hot take: the big difference isn't "running a compensator". Comps are not a big deal in steel challenge because splits don't matter as much as transitions (which happen during recoil). The big difference is dudes shooting tuned 2011s running against poor bastards with almost-stock Glocks. The real SC rules do a pretty credible job of making these distinctions, and I don't think they're so hard to explain or understand. Your match, your rules, and I'll play by them... but I watch like a hundred people show up at the TCSC USPSA matches who have somehow have it figured out.As to falling steel, we just changed again because it’s a lot of Shooter’s and many of the divisions were extremely sparse. We also don’t do any checking of gun weights, mag capacity, specific mods to a gun. It is a lot of administrative burden on a group of volunteers. If there were prizes involved we’d be more official but there isn’t. So after a lot of deliberation we decided to collapse falling steel to focus on the sighting system, recognizing compensated pistols do offer a huge advantage but they are far from prolific at this time. If they show up and become a huge advantage, we will address it then.
Thanks for the infoHere’s the round counts from the last 3 gun match:
Approx. Round Count (if you don't miss)
Rifle - 50
Shotgun - 30 plus 2 optional slugs
Pistol - 20
Shotgun/Pistol - 40
So up to 70 shotgun rounds if you didn’t miss. Usually a sleeve of 100 is plenty
This was in the late 90’s or early 2000. It was my first match. I don’t remember much but I do remember that I had a lot fun.Sounds like you shot with John Pepper...
Rules should be posted on practiscore. Any specific questions email us at matchdirector@agcrange.org and one of us who’ll get back to you.
Did someone say yes to braced suppressed pistols in PPC falling steel?? If so I will sign up for another slot
The divisions are still based on the Steel Challenge divisions, though. One of the few weak points that outlaw steel at AGC has is that the rules are not entirely clear due to the somewhat haphazard exceptions to the official SC ruleset. (I'd be happy to draft a document to help resolve this problem if someone asked.)
(I had to bump three guys in my squad into open at the last 3GN match because they friggin' threw dots in their pistols and then registered into tac scope/limited, so clarifying division equipment rules are on my mind lately.)
I can cover you for a holster for that if u don't wanna start at low ready
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