AGC 3 Gun Match - Sunday, September 22

[MEGARMS]

So there are 5 "divisions"

Open
Tactical Scope
Tactical LTD
Heavy Metal
2 Gun

Are you running all of them? Are the rules for these posted somewhere? I assume "Heavy Metal" is not 3-gun with a Motley Crue t-shirt.

Five divisions are for scoring purposes only. All five shoot on the same squad together. Scores are compiled at the end based on what equipment you brought and an overall. The 2 gun guys normally always come out on top, because they don't shoot shotgun targets.

We operate under the Mid Atlantic Multi Gun Rules. Check it out here.

https://h9a5z8b6.stackpathcdn.com/w...8/10/Mid-Atlantic-Rules-version-2.23.2017.pdf

 

[rbird7282]

I think he means let badge holders have first crack at the 39 spots, and waitlist non-badge holders.



I really enjoyed the match I shot in the spring, but unfortunately I'll be out of town on the 22nd. Great to see matches happening. Good luck!

This is a bad idea. Badge holders get a discount, that’s their bonus. They can sign up just like everyone else, first come-first serve. That’s the only fair way to do it.



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[MEGARMS]

ok, but if I am bringing a guest, I want to make sure that they shoot. Badge holders are being charged 1/2 price, I think thats fair. Otherwise its first registered first served, also fair.

Are we really running out of slots, or are people running out of things to complain about on a Friday? My educated guess is that the people who are complaining are not even registered anyway.

And by the way, guests who have fun repeatedly are simply future badge holders.... just like public trap.

I get so tired of people feeling entitled to something that did not even exist a few years ago! Get over it! I rarely see 39 people at any of the practices, nor have I seen 39 people at any of the events.

You are 100% correct. It is Friday night and some folks have run out of things to complain about. We have 13/39 slots filled so far. Two of those are non badge holders.

I will be thrilled if we get to 39, and if it happens early enough, I will find a way to add a fourth squad and make it 52 shooters.

This bitching, moaning, and complaining is just senseless. Seriously guys, if you think you can do a better job at putting something like this together, then by all means, take it away. If your not interested in helping, then keep it to yourself. You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about if you think it is possible to run a match and give one group of people more time to sign up than others. Do that enough times, and you end up playing with yourself, which I am guessing is what you spend the majority of your time doing anyway.

 

[danb]

Heavy metal says minimum power factor 320 (bullet weight in gr * velocity in fps/1000). So that appears to rule out 7.62x39 or 300 Blackout. 308 managed recoil (170 gr with 2000fps ) seems ok though.

 

[danb]

So out of curiosity what happens if one registers for say the open devison then wants to also shoot another one, say heavy metal?

 

[MEGARMS]

So out of curiosity what happens if one registers for say the open devison then wants to also shoot another one, say heavy metal?

That's a very good question and one that I have never come across. In theory, that shooter would have to register and pay twice.

Before allowing it, I would have to think about the mechanics of the whole thing especially if they plan to change pistols. You see, you are only allowed to draw or unholster your pistol under the supervision and at the direction of the RO.

Lets cross that bridge when someone comes along and wants to burn through $150 in ammo in one day.

 

[danb]

That's a very good question and one that I have never come across. In theory, that shooter would have to register and pay twice.

Before allowing it, I would have to think about the mechanics of the whole thing especially if they plan to change pistols. You see, you are only allowed to draw or unholster your pistol under the supervision and at the direction of the RO.

Lets cross that bridge when someone comes along and wants to burn through $150 in ammo in one day.

Right, if they want to do that sign up for the Thompson Collectors club, lol.

 

[sasd18]

You are 100% correct. It is Friday night and some folks have run out of things to complain about. We have 13/39 slots filled so far. Two of those are non badge holders.

I will be thrilled if we get to 39, and if it happens early enough, I will find a way to add a fourth squad and make it 52 shooters.

This bitching, moaning, and complaining is just senseless. Seriously guys, if you think you can do a better job at putting something like this together, then by all means, take it away. If your not interested in helping, then keep it to yourself. You clearly have no idea of what you are talking about if you think it is possible to run a match and give one group of people more time to sign up than others. Do that enough times, and you end up playing with yourself, which I am guessing is what you spend the majority of your time doing anyway.

Keep doing what you’re doing. There’s some of us out there that appreciate the work

 

[dist1646]

If I recall correctly the sale of life time badges funded the 3 gun range.
Not the whole membership.

No, they needed additional funds for construction so, the 15 year badges were implemented. That gave them the funding to do it now, at the expense of less revenue to the AGC from those badge holders later on. Hopefully these matches can make up the difference. The sale of life badges was abolished years ago.

If the matches are not completely filled as Megarms said then I don't see an issue.
If they are filled to the limit at some point in the future, then I would suggest that members be given priority up until a certain date prior to the event and after that date, first come first served. I am not running the event and it is not my current sport, though I may consider participation at some point in the future.

 

[Bikebreath]

That's a very good question and one that I have never come across. In theory, that shooter would have to register and pay twice.

Before allowing it, I would have to think about the mechanics of the whole thing especially if they plan to change pistols. You see, you are only allowed to draw or unholster your pistol under the supervision and at the direction of the RO.

Lets cross that bridge when someone comes along and wants to burn through $150 in ammo in one day.

Yes, it's typical to pay twice for different divisions.

At cold-range events I've been to there's a "safe" area where you can put-on/take-off slings, get you handgun in your holster, check for mechanicals on your gun, practice a draw, etc.

Different ranges treat carrying ammo in the safe area in several ways; 1- ok if you have ammo, but touch it and you are DQ'ed; 2- no ammo in the safe area.

 

[danb]

Certain people have complained incessantly throughout the process - the bays were not designed right, not built right, too big, not big enough, not oriented correctly, too expensive, not managed well, not built fast enough, and on and on. Now everyone wants to participate. Socialists! If I were not-so-benevolent king, I would let everyone in, but charge the negative nellies an aggravation/anti-socialism tax.

A lot of hard work went into this! My understanding is that the guest policy just went into effect. If we actually get 39 people to sign up, I think it would be a wild success.

Incidentally, I doubt AGC is "making" any money off these. The steel targets wear out quickly, especially if a few dozen people shoot the shit out of them. I replace targets more often than I thought I would myself. My educated guess is that the match fees are barely covering costs.

 

[rbird7282]

Right, if they want to do that sign up for the Thompson Collectors club, lol.

And it won’t take a day, more like 5 minutes lol


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[JimNorth]

we do have a 2 gun division. If you have a gun belt, retention holster, pistol and mag pouches, then feel free to register and give it a try.

We operate under the Mid Atlantic Multi Gun Rules. Check it out here.

https://h9a5z8b6.stackpathcdn.com/w...8/10/Mid-Atlantic-Rules-version-2.23.2017.pdf

I don't see the 2 gun division in those rules. Did I miss it?

I believe I read in this thread that the 2 gun division omits the shotgun stage. I recall in other 3 gun events that pistol may be used instead of shotgun. Do you allow that?

 

[MEGARMS]

I don't see the 2 gun division in those rules. Did I miss it?

I believe I read in this thread that the 2 gun division omits the shotgun stage. I recall in other 3 gun events that pistol may be used instead of shotgun. Do you allow that?

That is a really good question and suggestion. As you observed, two gun is not an actual equipment division provided for in the Mid Atlantic Multi Gun rules. That said, I have participated in a few other Mid Atlantic 3 gun matches that did include it.

As for the difference in courses of fire, many stages DO include targets that are shotgun OR pistol. Those in the 2 Gun division will be required to neutralize those targets with their pistol. There are also targets that are shotgun only (ie. aerial clay birds). Shooting at those with a pistol would be fruitless/dangerous and therefore are just left out.

I decided to add 2 Gun as a division in our early three gun events so that those folks who do not have or want to use a shotgun can still participate and get a taste. The hope is that those folks borrow a shotgun, learn about the equipment necessary, and show up the following month with their own.

There will also be folks who just do not want to buy/use a shotgun. For them, I hope to eventually find an experienced USPSA Event Director to hold regular 2 Gun Events. This is probably a year or so away, but I would love to talk now to any qualified person who might be interested in taking on that project.

 

[MEGARMS]

Incidentally, I doubt AGC is "making" any money off these. The steel targets wear out quickly, especially if a few dozen people shoot the shit out of them. I replace targets more often than I thought I would myself. My educated guess is that the match fees are barely covering costs.

You are "right on" at least initially. Steel targets and other props are extremely expensive and three gun requires a LOT of them. This is the reason we are only running 3 stages at this point (we just don't have enough targets for 4). Also, our $10 badge holder / $20 non badge holder entry fees are far below the norm for this 3 Gun Events in this area. We have done this for two reasons.

1. wouldn't feel right charging $20-$35 for a three stage match
2. we are trying to build the program and maximize participation.
Three Gun is like smoking crack in that you really only have to try it once to get addicted.

Soon enough we will raise enough money to have enough props to have 4 stages on the shooting bays and a long distance rifle stage on the 200 yard range. That coupled with all of our newly addicted crackheads and normalized entry fees should help us to start generating revenue to the AGC.

The second (it is actually our primary) thing that we hope to accomplish is to increase Range Badge sales. There are a lot of 3 Gun, IDPA, USPSA, shooters in Maryland that up until this point have had to travel to Thurmont, WV, VA, and PA to shoot. By charging a premium for non Badge holders, we hope to entice them to buy a range badge the following year.

 

[MEGARMS]

Yes, it's typical to pay twice for different divisions.

At cold-range events I've been to there's a "safe" area where you can put-on/take-off slings, get you handgun in your holster, check for mechanicals on your gun, practice a draw, etc.

Different ranges treat carrying ammo in the safe area in several ways; 1- ok if you have ammo, but touch it and you are DQ'ed; 2- no ammo in the safe area.

Good point. They could certainly swap their pistols at the safe table without the supervision of the RO

 

[dist1646]

Certain people have complained incessantly throughout the process - the bays were not designed right, not built right, too big, not big enough, not oriented correctly, too expensive, not managed well, not built fast enough, and on and on. Now everyone wants to participate. Socialists! If I were not-so-benevolent king, I would let everyone in, but charge the negative nellies an aggravation/anti-socialism tax.

A lot of hard work went into this! My understanding is that the guest policy just went into effect. If we actually get 39 people to sign up, I think it would be a wild success.

Incidentally, I doubt AGC is "making" any money off these. The steel targets wear out quickly, especially if a few dozen people shoot the shit out of them. I replace targets more often than I thought I would myself. My educated guess is that the match fees are barely covering costs.

If this is directed at me, my comments were to insure it was done properly so that it would be successful. Big difference! I have been in the business for over 40 years and have the credentials to prove I know what I am talking about. I don't have to try 3 gun at the AGC it was just a thought.

 

[Stoveman]

I think this is going to be wildly successful. Delta Peach Bottom is a small fish and game club and their Steel Challenge shoots every month routinely max out at 60 guns.

They also have a PCC division and quite a few people will sign up twice so they can shoot with their pistol and again with their carbine.

 

[MEGARMS]

I think this is going to be wildly successful. Delta Peach Bottom is a small fish and game club and their Steel Challenge shoots every month routinely max out at 60 guns.

They also have a PCC division and quite a few people will sign up twice so they can shoot with their pistol and again with their carbine.

We plan to have a steel challenge in October. I don’t know much about it so have some quick learning to do.

 

[MEGARMS]

THERE WILL ALSO BE AN IDPA Match on Saturday, October 21

I am not the Event Director for this match and therefore do not know the answer to many of the questions. Start by checking out this page

https://associatedgunclubs.org/action_shooting/idpa/

Here is the link to register for this match

https://practiscore.com/associated-gun-clubs-idpa-match/register


Send IDPA inquiries to idpa.agc@gmail.com