“Long Gun Qual License Dead”

[dist1646]

No part of a bad law is acceptable. They are giving us nothing and still taking away, just as they have been for decades. If, or should I say when this passes, it will enable your friendly dealer to charge whatever they choose to, and we all know how that varies from shop to shop. Any way you cut it, your cost of purchasing goes up. State fee, dealer fee, fee for charging the fee, etc. Just another step toward eliminating freedom once and for all. No quarter asked, no quarter given!

 

[fabsroman]

That is welcome news. But they need to drop the waiting period and allow MSP to run the checks for private sellers. None of it should happen, but if I can at least go to a barracks and pay $10 and an hour of my time, fine.

Alright, I can live with MSP being an option, but I would still want the option to take care of the matter at my local FFL. Think I would rather pay $35 and deal with SCSG versus the MSP. Then again, I've never bought a used gun, so who knows.

No LGQL is damn good news. There goes my excuse for the R8 this year, but I'll take it. Universal background checks for all sales, but no damn license for long guns. Should not have been a license requirement for handguns either, but I bet all the Fudds weren't up in arms about the handgun licensing or the assault weapon ban. When you only have the tactiduds and no fudds, the Maryland General Assembly thinks it can get away with stuff.

 

[fabsroman]

They could always add a complete background check to the HQL process and forego 7 day waiting period.

Never understood 7 day waiting period after initial gun purchase. I’m heated and about to kill a person but it would be in bad taste to use an existing gun.

Not everybody holds onto every single gun they ever purchase. Some liquidate their entire collection of one or two guns when they need money. I have no idea how some people live without having a firearm at times, but they do.

So, there is a slightly possibility that a 7 day waiting period, after the initial firearm purchase many years beforehand, could save a life. Minuscule, but possible nonetheless.

 

[fabsroman]

MSP cannot use NICS for private sales. Federal law prohibits that. If it goes through MSP it will go on a 77r.

Yeah, and I do NOT want this going the process of regulated firearms. A good old NICS, in and out, and done. Took about 3 minutes for me to go through the process the other night at SCSG. Of course, he had to have a laugh at my expense and tell me that I was delayed. My eyes widened, he laughed, and he told me he was joking. Phew. Would have been the first time ever.

Please, NO Form 77r for this BS.

 

[swinokur]

It’s defacto registration no matter what MSP or the MGA wants to call it.

 

[John from MD]

I disagree. It does matter. What if you get EPRO’d. The state looks at is registry and sees 100 firearms registered to you. What they don’t see is that you sold off most of your collection and want to know where all those guns are.
Case in point. I had a firearm that I legally sold. Said firearm was used in a felony about 5 years later. Guess who got a knock on the door wanting to know why that firearm was registered to me. Luckily I had a signed bill of sale.
Point is that in the system, it was still registered to me. Do you think that they are going to take the time to do a search on every one to see if someone else might own it now. I don’t.

Just because the state has it registered to you means nothing. I have told them on 2 different occasions that I sold the guns to dealers at a gun show. I don't have any records and am not required to. The burden of proof is on the state and just because they can't keep their records straight doesn't rise to the level or probable cause. IANAL

 

[fabsroman]

So I am having a senior moment here haha and can not recall the Del name who came up with this bill to begin with. I think its time to make a couple of phone calls about this and so forth... If moms had their way no one except LEO and US Military would have access to firearms but then this is their end goal to begin with....

If the moms had their way, LEO's and military would not have firearms either. We don't need guns. If nobody has guns, we can all live in peace and harmony.

 

[dist1646]

Not everybody holds onto every single gun they ever purchase. Some liquidate their entire collection of one or two guns when they need money. I have no idea how some people live without having a firearm at times, but they do.

So, there is a slightly possibility that a 7 day waiting period, after the initial firearm purchase many years beforehand, could save a life. Minuscule, but possible nonetheless.

Waiting periods will never stop anything except the exercise of freedom. Someone who wants to take the life of another will always find a way. It's been that way since Kane killed Able.

 

[Occam]

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[scjamesm]

So wait is there going to be a waiting period?

 

[Squaregrouper]

I have zero problems with background checks. I have a LOT of problems with the government tracking who owns what.
I have several friends with well over 100 firearms. I have other friends with one shotgun each. When it becomes "brown shirt time" and confiscations begin, guess whose doors are getting knocked on first?
A NICS check assigns a number to an individual. It doesn't record what, if anything, was actually purchased. I assure everyone that Marylandistan (MGA and MSP) want to expand their 77r database to include all firearms. This isn't about safety; it is about control.

 

[Raineman]

Same reason they shot down Sunday hunting earlier in this session.


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Agreed in the fact they don't want new hunters. However the Sunday hunting laws in this state are controlled by one entity, and that is the deep pocketed equestrian community.

 

[F5guy]

Agreed in the fact they don't want new hunters. However the Sunday hunting laws in this state are controlled by one entity, and that is the deep pocketed equestrian community.

And the guides association came out against it too because why -they are lazy. Don’t get me started we can easily trade Monday for a Sunday and more kids would be able to get involved in the sport and people could ride their horses. Also no hunting on Sundays doesn’t mean people can go out and shoot on Sundays it’s totally illogical.


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[dist1646]

So wait is there going to be a waiting period?

Well, even if a waiting period does not end up being defined in the law, if you have to go to the FFL and do the check, isn't that a waiting period? A right delayed is a right denied, even if it is only denied for a period of time. What's more, it will certainly involve more costs because the FFL's are not going to do it for nothing. Add MSP fees and the cost of purchasing just went up at least $50 minimum!

 

[fabsroman]

Waiting periods will never stop anything except the exercise of freedom. Someone who wants to take the life of another will always find a way. It's been that way since Kane killed Able.

And I agree. If a person does not like a waiting period, there is always the black market if one knows where to look. Swords and knives have no waiting period.

I am not in favor of a waiting period, that is for sure. I like picking up a gun when I want it and where I want it.

 

[fabsroman]

Well, even if a waiting period does not end up being defined in the law, if you have to go to the FFL and do the check, isn't that a waiting period? A right delayed is a right denied, even if it is only denied for a period of time. What's more, it will certainly involve more costs because the FFL's are not going to do it for nothing. Add MSP fees and the cost of purchasing just went up at least $50 minimum!

Why does MSP have to be involved in this? Why can't it just be done on a 4473 as if it was an out of state transaction? Is it not possible to get this done on a 4473?

 

[swinokur]

An FFL cannot by law do a NICS check on s firearm they do not sell .

The MGA is ignorant.

NV tried this and their own AG told them the law was unenforceable.

Stupid is as stupid does

 

[dist1646]

Why does MSP have to be involved in this? Why can't it just be done on a 4473 as if it was an out of state transaction? Is it not possible to get this done on a 4473?

An FFL cannot by law do a NICS check on s firearm they do not sell .

The MGA is ignorant.

NV tried this and their own AG told them the law was unenforceable.

Stupid is as stupid does

As swinokur said.

This was brought up during testimony at the hearings.

 

[rbird7282]

I disagree. It does matter. What if you get EPRO’d. The state looks at is registry and sees 100 firearms registered to you. What they don’t see is that you sold off most of your collection and want to know where all those guns are.

Case in point. I had a firearm that I legally sold. Said firearm was used in a felony about 5 years later. Guess who got a knock on the door wanting to know why that firearm was registered to me. Luckily I had a signed bill of sale.

Point is that in the system, it was still registered to me. Do you think that they are going to take the time to do a search on every one to see if someone else might own it now. I don’t.

I see your point. I guess it depends on how they look it up. I was thinking if they were looking for a specific gun, it would show someone else owning that firearm after you. Of course this is the MSP, so who knows.


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[Slimjim]

I have zero problems with background checks. I have a LOT of problems with the government tracking who owns what.
I have several friends with well over 100 firearms. I have other friends with one shotgun each. When it becomes "brown shirt time" and confiscations begin, guess whose doors are getting knocked on first?
A NICS check assigns a number to an individual. It doesn't record what, if anything, was actually purchased. I assure everyone that Marylandistan (MGA and MSP) want to expand their 77r database to include all firearms. This isn't about safety; it is about control.

So then you SHOULD have an issue with this. “oh the background check law isnt working because people arent doing it/Dont know about it, we cant track every gun sale unless we have a registry!” And that registry will come with a long gun license.

You guys just played into their hands, the dems got what they wanted, more incrimental gun control, and you get jack squat.