National carry permit map

Glaug-Eldare · Oct 9, 2011

I'm trying to make up a map showing, county-by-county, where law-abiding citizens can get carry permits. I've already got a lot done, and it's something I think would surprise a lot of Marylanders:

I've got a large vector map at http://www.mediafire.com/?g18eco0i8r4g979 and a bigger PNG at http://i.imgur.com/nYy2m.png.

And just for the hell of it, I made a cartogram, too! It's not as encouraging, but it's important to know what the human geography looks like, too. Area on this map translates into people. That is, the size of each county on the map is proportional to its population.

Vector map at http://www.mediafire.com/?b51ap78ehpafbgg, and a bigger PNG at http://i.imgur.com/AOz3T.png

NOTE: Everything updated 1/28/12

Suggestions? Corrections? Advice?

Thanks to shawn for more Massachusetts info
Thanks to Doug33w for more New York info

silverwolf · Oct 9, 2011

Nice work! Now if only I wasn't color blind...

Charles Guggenheimer · Oct 9, 2011

Illinois is the only true "no issue" state. You can lump DC, Hawaii, New Jersey, some California and some New York jurisdictions as extremely difficult may-issue places (perhaps in pink).

Combloc · Oct 9, 2011

It's just sad how closed minded our state is with respect to this issue. I'm not even allowed to defend myself....that's just incomprehensible to me

Glaug-Eldare · Oct 9, 2011

Charles Guggenheimer said:
Illinois is the only true "no issue" state. You can lump DC, Hawaii, New Jersey, some California and some New York jurisdictions as extremely difficult may-issue places (perhaps in pink).

I thought about doing that, but in the end I'm trying to map outcomes, not necessarily law. To the average citizen, there's no difference between trying to get a permit in Chicago and trying to get a permit in Hawaii. Hopefully I won't have to update the map too many times before it all turns green! (Dark green, preferably)

jpk1md · Oct 10, 2011

Mass is "May Issue" up to local chief leo for residents and state police for Non Res

Glaug-Eldare · Oct 10, 2011

jpk1md said:
Mass is "May Issue" up to local chief leo for residents and state police for Non Res

Do you know of any maps that show the issuance policies of the western towns? I'm guessing those two gray counties are green in reality, but I don't have anything to back it up.

jpk1md · Oct 10, 2011

Glaug-Eldare said:
Do you know of any maps that show the issuance policies of the western towns? I'm guessing those two gray counties are green in reality, but I don't have anything to back it up.

No, the entire state is May Issue.......

That the local leo in Arlington is more likely to actually issue a class a ltc than the boston leo does not change the fact that the law renders the state as a May Issue State

Glaug-Eldare · Oct 10, 2011

jpk1md said:
No, the entire state is May Issue.......

That the local leo in Arlington is more likely to actually issue a class a ltc than the boston leo does not change the fact that the law renders the state as a May Issue State

Like I said before, though, "may-issue" isn't enough. Each town has discretion, and I'm trying to map what they actually do -- not just what they are empowered to do by law. Otherwise I'd be coloring Alabama the same way as Maryland or New Jersey

backnblack · Oct 10, 2011

Glaug-Eldare said:
it's something I think would surprise a lot of Marylanders

Surprised? Not at all. We know we live in one of the last Nazi States.

Glaug-Eldare · Oct 10, 2011

backnblack said:
Surprised? Not at all. We know we live in one of the last Nazi States.

We all know we live in a dumb state, but I bet the average non-shooter in this state has no idea that a national consensus has already been reached on handgun carry, and that Maryland is on the losing side

jkray · Oct 10, 2011

How about sending this out to our friendly knowledgeable represetntatives in the state legislature? But I'm sure they have seen it and said "look at us we are one of the only states left that is safe just think about how all those green states are like the old west with shootouts on every corner"

Threeband · Oct 10, 2011

Glaug-Eldare said:
We all know we live in a dumb state, but I bet the average non-shooter in this state has no idea that a national consensus has already been reached on handgun carry, and that Maryland is on the losing side

Exactly.

I have long said this should be central to our message. I'm sure most Marylanders have no idea that this old issue was settled years ago, just a few miles up the road" in every one of our neighboring states."

MDFF2008 · Oct 10, 2011

jkray said:
How about sending this out to our friendly knowledgeable represetntatives in the state legislature? But I'm sure they have seen it and said "look at us we are one of the only states left that is safe just think about how all those green states are like the old west with shootouts on every corner"

The sad part is after Giffords was shot, one Maryland senator said how proud she was that Maryland was not like Arizona in terms of gun control.

mrjam2jab · Oct 10, 2011

WY...No Permit Required...of residents. Visitors still need one.

blindnoodle · Oct 10, 2011

What is "permissive may issue"?

Glaug-Eldare · Oct 10, 2011

mrjam2jab said:
WY...No Permit Required...of residents. Visitors still need one.

Hm. Good to know, but for this map I think I'm gonna stick with the laws that apply to residents.

blindnoodle said:
What is "permissive may issue"?

That means that their laws don't require them to issue carry permits, but they generally will. Think Alabama.

Before somebody asks, "special-issue" means that you may be able to get a permit under extraordinary conditions, like prior attacks or a sensitive occupation. Places like Maryland, basically.

MDFF2008 · Oct 10, 2011

Rhode Island is a messed up one. The law actually says Shall Issue, but the Attorney General has hog tied the sheriffs into a may issue.

That one state may be as simple as removing the current AG.

Threeband · Oct 10, 2011

blindnoodle said:
What is "permissive may issue"?

Alabama and Delaware strictly speaking are May Issue, but in practice are Shall Issue.

Of course Maryland is May Issue, but in practice is "No Way."

It makes sense to distinguish between these extremes of May Issue.

jpk1md · Oct 10, 2011

Glaug-Eldare said:
Like I said before, though, "may-issue" isn't enough. Each town has discretion, and I'm trying to map what they actually do -- not just what they are empowered to do by law. Otherwise I'd be coloring Alabama the same way as Maryland or New Jersey

If you are attempting to create a map that represents LAW then the entire state is May Issue....that is the LAW..

http://www.malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section131

If you're trying to create a map that demonstrates the LIKELYHOOD that local LEO will give you a class a ltc if you say pretty pretty please then this is a pointless exercise that is impossible and constantly changing as LEO's retire/move/etc

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