sign of times to come? liberals, far left looking to buy their first gun.

Z_Man · Dec 10, 2015

Boondock Saint said:
More good guys with guns is never a bad thing. More folks having "THEIRS" means more folks with skin in the game and something to lose. There are plenty of people on this forum who aren't conservatives per se, but they are staunch defenders of 2A. Alienating those who want to take part in the right because of disagreements on other issues is foolish, in my opinion.

that's a bingo. we need to remove 2nd amendment rights from the list of "political wedge issues" if enough Democrats lose railing on gun control, eventually pro gun democrats will get elected, and if democrats and republicans are pro guns... it is no longer a pro guns vs anti gun debate on a national level, and there is no longer big money supporting gun control, because the big money only exists to support politicians...

highli99 · Dec 10, 2015

I definitely think the attitudes are shifting. People who have never owned guns are telling me they are thinking about getting one and I highly encourage them to do so while they still can.

It's ironic when these people find out hard it is now. It's like everyone assumes that gun control measures are "reasonable" until 1. they find out it applies to them and not just other people and 2. they experience the shenanigans for themselves.

Blacksmith101 · Dec 10, 2015

Most of them bought into the to easy to get guns/gun show loophole BS the media spews. When they try to get one for themselves and find out how hard it really is it is becoming a wake up moment and they are starting to ask what else am I being lied to about?

Be sure to take them to a range and show them that it also can be fun to own a gun. We will turn them to the dark side!

dblas · Dec 10, 2015

Boondock Saint said:
More good guys with guns is never a bad thing. More folks having "THEIRS" means more folks with skin in the game and something to lose. There are plenty of people on this forum who aren't conservatives per se, but they are staunch defenders of 2A. Alienating those who want to take part in the right because of disagreements on other issues is foolish, in my opinion.

There is an even larger group of people that could care less about the 2nd Amendment, but are concerned with their own self defense/personal protection, and want a firearm to do so. Regardless of who they are, how they vote or how they are registered, it is our job to help them out. And if someone doesn't feel that they can work with such a person, feel free to ask for someone else to do it here on the board.

While we needs to keep the pedal down on the 2nd Amendment aspect, we need to start shifting the gears into the personal protection/self defense aspect as well and start building that community and incorporating that community into the legislative process.

dblas · Dec 10, 2015

porscheguy said:
+1 on that. Even if if they don't become staunch supporters of your cause, they probably won't become staunch opponents either.

I don't care if they become staunch supporters of our cause (2nd Amendment), so long as their cause (self defense/personal protection) dovetails with ours and helps build the community against the legislative issues we have here in MD.

Start preaching self defense/personal protection, leave the 2nd Amendment arguments and sales pitch off the table for the start and we will start to grow a community exponentially.

dblas · Dec 10, 2015

Z_Man said:
that's a bingo. we need to remove 2nd amendment rights from the list of "political wedge issues" if enough Democrats lose railing on gun control, eventually pro gun democrats will get elected, and if democrats and republicans are pro guns... it is no longer a pro guns vs anti gun debate on a national level, and there is no longer big money supporting gun control, because the big money only exists to support politicians...

Make it simpler, make it s self defense/personal protection issue, something even more folks can get behind from all walks. Make the elected officials say they are against personal protection/self defense, and then plat that again and again and make them defend their position.

(How many are starting to see a trend here?)

radial · Dec 10, 2015

Reptile said:
Is it wrong of me to feel a bit of schadenfreude when they discover there's no gun show loophole, they have to undergo a background investigation, they have to wait until the 8th day to pick it up, and they can't get a carry permit?

Ain't that the truth. I correspond with a pack of ignoratizi on another forum. It's incredible to me how aggressively misinformed they are about everything related to firearms. Sometimes I have the patience to engage in the back and forth with them, but they wear me out. Most of them are motivated by the need to win in the rhetorical sense rather than the need to be right. It's exhausting.

Brooklyn · Dec 11, 2015

Its OK to teach a liberal everything they know. Just not everything you know.

One day they they may earn our trust,but its not today. And if they don't help right the ship..write them off.

But the trend us not surprising..

Just don't trust them..yet.

Brooklyn · Dec 11, 2015

Boondock Saint said:
More good guys with guns is never a bad thing. More folks having "THEIRS" means more folks with skin in the game and something to lose. There are plenty of people on this forum who aren't conservatives per se, but they are staunch defenders of 2A. Alienating those who want to take part in the right because of disagreements on other issues is foolish, in my opinion.

Actually not allways.

We have already seen this dynamic.. Journalist reporting on basic classes and then saying ..."I can't believe they put a gun in my hand with so little training".

The same folks who say." The bar guys will take it and use it on you " will carry in cond white and prove it.. ADs negligence etc..

This really is a threat..

The problem is statists. Unless you know your not dealing with a statist the risk is too high.

Be very warry of radical libertarians and anti gov left as well..

But other than that help them.

Pinecone · Dec 11, 2015

Yeap, go to work, check out the people you work with. Do you want ALL OF THEM armed?

Really?

PJDiesel · Dec 11, 2015

Pinecone said:
Yeap, go to work, check out the people you work with. Do you want ALL OF THEM armed?

Really?

Do they ALL want to be?

Do we care? I just don't want them being able to tell ME what to do and don't do.

Blaster229 · Dec 11, 2015

Pinecone said:
Yeap, go to work, check out the people you work with. Do you want ALL OF THEM armed?

Really?

Hell, I'm afraid of some of my co-workers. lol

Boondock Saint · Dec 11, 2015

Brooklyn said:
Actually not allways.

We have already seen this dynamic.. Journalist reporting on basic classes and then saying ..."I can't believe they put a gun in my hand with so little training".

The same folks who say." The bar guys will take it and use it on you " will carry in cond white and prove it.. ADs negligence etc..

This really is a threat..

The problem is statists. Unless you know your not dealing with a statist the risk is too high.

Be very warry of radical libertarians and anti gov left as well..

But other than that help them.

No, more good guys with guns is always a good thing. I stand by my statement.

Boondock Saint · Dec 11, 2015

dblas said:
There is an even larger group of people that could care less about the 2nd Amendment, but are concerned with their own self defense/personal protection, and want a firearm to do so. Regardless of who they are, how they vote or how they are registered, it is our job to help them out. And if someone doesn't feel that they can work with such a person, feel free to ask for someone else to do it here on the board.

While we needs to keep the pedal down on the 2nd Amendment aspect, we need to start shifting the gears into the personal protection/self defense aspect as well and start building that community and incorporating that community into the legislative process.

An excellent point. :thumbsup:

Art3 · Dec 11, 2015

Pinecone said:
Yeap, go to work, check out the people you work with. Do you want ALL OF THEM armed?

Really?

I agree...but...if we say "only certain people should have guns," aren't we then just like "them" :mad54:

I don't know...the whole thing seems tricky. :shrug:

SCARCQB · Dec 11, 2015

A liberal friend stocked up on some self defense stuff.
Followed my advise. Bought a 9mm, a couple of clips and a box of shells.

zoostation · Dec 11, 2015

SCARCQB said:
A liberal friend stocked up on some self defense stuff.
Followed my advise. Bought a 9mm, a couple of clips and a box of shells.

The media would say that's an arsenal. Especially the Glock 9mm.

babalou · Dec 11, 2015

Yup

Blacksmith101 said:
Most of them bought into the to easy to get guns/gun show loophole BS the media spews. When they try to get one for themselves and find out how hard it really is it is becoming a wake up moment and they are starting to ask what else am I being lied to about?

Be sure to take them to a range and show them that it also can be fun to own a gun. We will turn them to the dark side!

Exactly.

woodstock · Dec 11, 2015

Last night I had a caller and it went like this. " hi I'd like to buy my first handgun." Me "okay , are you aware of the new laws in Maryland regarding the purchase of a regulated gun?" Him "no what do I have to do?" I explained to him the process and he mumbled some cuss words. Then I asked him what was his primary interest, sport, protection or just collecting? He then told me he hates guns but wants to buy one now because he may not be able to in the near future. So I asked him if he HATES guns is he prepared to take all the steps to own possess and use one responsibly? He hung up.

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Schipperke · Dec 11, 2015

dblas said:
There is an even larger group of people that could care less about the 2nd Amendment, but are concerned with their own self defense/personal protection, and want a firearm to do so. Regardless of who they are, how they vote or how they are registered, it is our job to help them out. And if someone doesn't feel that they can work with such a person, feel free to ask for someone else to do it here on the board.

While we needs to keep the pedal down on the 2nd Amendment aspect, we need to start shifting the gears into the personal protection/self defense aspect as well and start building that community and incorporating that community into the legislative process.

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