Security Clearances may now just be G&S

DaemonAssassin · Jun 5, 2015

Blaster229 said:
What I am saying is if having that clearance raises the chance of being kidnapped, then why doesn't it happen? Or even has happened in the states here? And specifically Maryland? A clearance is so far from G&S.
Maybe if there have been cleared people having been kidnapped over the years, but there hasn't been. And I'm pretty sure it isn't going to start now because of this.

The problem here is that you are stating reality, when in fact it does constitute G&S, because of the heightened expectation of personal danger over the rest of the public. Whether they get kidnapped or not is irrelevant, it was just something to put on the app that could be used a G&S and get a CCW. Nothing more.

zoostation · Jun 5, 2015

Well, seems to me like Hogan has an excuse it will be hard for his detractors to argue with for telling MSP to consider the safety of clearance holders as G&S and issue the permits. Going to be just about impossible for the leftists to whine about it without coming off looking anti-military (even if they are).

Is he eventually going to do some decisive things for gun owners, or are we in for Bob Ehrlich version 2.0 ?

Rickman · Jun 5, 2015

moojersey said:
You "usually" (obviously exceptions) only have to do the OGE form (financial disclosure) if you have first hand knowledge of things related to government contracts or work directly with contractors etc. This is so the .gov can figure out if you are exploiting your intel. i.e. I know that a certain contractor let's say "General Dynamics" is about to be awarded a huge contract >$1B. Well maybe I decide to buy a crap load of that stock before it is announced then sell it immediately after netting me a nice pay day. Or vice versa if you own stock in a company doing .gov business and MYSTERIOUSLY DUMP IT FOR NO REASON just a couple days before they lose a contract. Not that I know anything about these things

Blaster229 from what I gather by most of your posts you seem like an on the ground 'tactical type'. Might not be much reason for you to do this.

I believe GS-13 and equiv pay bands and above and all Team Leader positions (supervisor positions even if not GS-13) have to submit OGE 450 each year.

BeoBill · Jun 5, 2015

DaemonAssassin said:
The problem here is that you are stating reality, when in fact it does constitute G&S, because of the heightened expectation of personal danger over the rest of the public. Whether they get kidnapped or not is irrelevant, it was just something to put on the app that could be used a G&S and get a CCW. Nothing more.

You're grasping at straws. It's not going to happen, IMO. I once had to sign for ten nuclear warheads every shift at work. I've worked without a clearance for four of the last 30 years. With Compartments.

I'm not even going to try. Why? No Maryland G&S.

brownspotz · Jun 5, 2015

nope not gonna happen, in the taxmaster state of MD, they can't tax you upon your clearance.

Brooklyn · Jun 6, 2015

Within the last year, the OPM has undertaken an aggressive effort to update its cybersecurity posture, adding numerous tools and capabilities to its networks. As a result, in April 2015, OPM detected a cyber-intrusion affecting its information technology (IT) systems and data. The intrusion predated the adoption of the tougher security controls.

While using big words to make us sound smart,we found out that there are people who actually are smart and they found out that our criminal negligence lead to at least one breach..you can bet there will were more.

Not withstanding our negligence and patent lack of expertise we are going to advise you to do all the things we failed to do,thus establishing the predicates of contributory negligence on our part.

All responsible need to be discharged from federal service..

DaemonAssassin · Jun 6, 2015

BeoBill said:
You're grasping at straws. It's not going to happen, IMO. I once had to sign for ten nuclear warheads every shift at work. I've worked without a clearance for four of the last 30 years. With Compartments.

I'm not even going to try. Why? No Maryland G&S.

You can call BS all you want, but the simple fact is that his G&S was his clearance and he explained how his clearance made him a target for kidnap, extortion, etc... and they gave it to him based on that. Don't believe me? That's fine, but using that as your G&S is valid and he just renewed it, without any issues.

Blaster229 · Jun 6, 2015

DaemonAssassin said:
You can call BS all you want, but the simple fact is that his G&S was his clearance and he explained how his clearance made him a target for kidnap, extortion, etc... and they gave it to him based on that. Don't believe me? That's fine, but using that as your G&S is valid and he just renewed it, without any issues.

So now you are saying there is in fact someone with a permit simply because he has a clearance and for no other reason at all?
No verified threats, no side business that would qualify, nothing.
"I'm Mr. Clearance man and I'd like a permit". That easy eh?

juan_galto · Jun 6, 2015

DaemonAssassin said:
You can call BS all you want, but the simple fact is that his G&S was his clearance and he explained how his clearance made him a target for kidnap, extortion, etc... and they gave it to him based on that. Don't believe me? That's fine, but using that as your G&S is valid and he just renewed it, without any issues.

This doesn't pass the smell test. Theoretically having a clearance raises risk as you say, but can you think of a single domestic case of clearance-centered violence?

cowboy321 · Jun 6, 2015

I was going to get Chinese food tonight. Not now!

Blaster229 · Jun 6, 2015

In lieu of not getting G&S, I suggest all cleared employees, TS and above watch this movie in under to get some tactical hints to mitigate your impending kidnap and negotiated release.

snavematt · Jun 6, 2015

You aren't a target for kidnaping when you have a clearance, more likely they will catch you in a compromising situation and blackmail you. That's why when you have a poly you admit to EVERYTHING you've done, like ect ect

pilotguy299 · Jun 6, 2015

People should be a little less worried about getting kidnapped or assaulted because of the PII being stolen, and a lot more worried about others using that PII to create "issues" that might get their clearance suspended or revoked, or might seriously affect their finances and credit rating.

Vile Shadow · Jun 6, 2015

A shot in the dark, so to speak, but I wonder now if this could include having a hazmat endorsement on a CDL?

BeoBill · Jun 6, 2015

Blaster229 said:
In lieu of not getting G&S, I suggest all cleared employees, TS and above watch this movie in under to get some tactical hints to mitigate your impending kidnap and negotiated release.

This illustrates why I said what I said.

There is no clearance level higher than TS (or Q/Sensitive), only Compartments within the clearance levels. See the E.O.s, NISPOM and DCIDs.

Next...

Blaster229 · Jun 6, 2015

Sling Blade said:
A shot in the dark, so to speak, but I wonder now if this could include having a hazmat endorsement on a CDL?

Why?

Vile Shadow · Jun 6, 2015

Blaster229 said:
Why?

Well, a feller a couple posts back said something about signing for nuclear material, and a hazmat endorsement licenses me to TRANSPORT it, even though I never do.

Just a thought.

Blaster229 · Jun 6, 2015

Sling Blade said:
Well, a feller a couple posts back said something about signing for nuclear material, and a hazmat endorsement licenses me to TRANSPORT it, even though I never do.

Just a thought.

No. I think he signed for missles. Like at a facility.
Nuclear transport convoys have very well armed and trained escorts.

Vile Shadow · Jun 6, 2015

Blaster229 said:
No. I think he signed for missles. Like at a facility.
Nuclear transport convoys have very well armed and trained escorts.

Even still, a gas tanker loaded with 9000 gallons of fuel can be a catatrophic weapon, and they can be driven right through the heart of the city without any escorts.

Blaster229 · Jun 6, 2015

Sling Blade said:
Even still, a gas tanker loaded with 9000 gallons of fuel can be a catatrophic weapon, and they can be driven right through the heart of the city without any escorts.

Why hasn't that idea happened yet? I'm not a. EOD guy, but pretty sure a vessel like that would not provide enough pressure to produce the catastrophic percussion like a Bomb.

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