Wrenn PI Granted (DC Shall Issue)

CypherPunk · Oct 25, 2017

shacklefordbanks said:
Ok, I'm still concerned by mixed guidance being given by DC about carry in restaurants that serve alcohol.

I know that the law's details have been posted here before apparently showing it was OK to carry in a restaurant as long as you where not drinking, but the posted FAQ bluntly states "On premises where alcohol is served".

This could lead to problems with the public and police not knowing the law and needlessly harassing people.

From the FAQ:

Q: Can those who do hold a concealed-carry permit in the District carry them anywhere in the

city, at any time?

A: No. Similar to the time, place, and manner restrictions on the exercise of First Amendment

rights, there are certain limitations on the times and places where a permit holder may carry a

concealed handgun in the District. Permit holders cannot carry their handguns:

• While they are consuming alcohol or are otherwise impaired;

• In a District government building;

• On the grounds of childcare facility, public or private school or university;

• At a hospital or medical/mental health office;

• At a penal institute, secure juvenile facility, or halfway house;

• At a polling place while voting is occurring;

• On public transportation, including in Metro stations;

• On premises where alcohol is served;

• At a stadium or arena;

• At a gathering or special event open to the public;

<SNIP>

You need to attend the required training provided by a competent instructor. Then you would understand and not have any concerns.

Geo. Lyon is one, I am another.

Register for my D.C. AND Maryland combined Permit training class here, or just the D.C. Law portion (2 hrs)

www.regonline.com/DCCCL

swinokur · Oct 25, 2017

As I said, A FAQ is neither an AG opinion, a statute or even a regulation.

IMO you are GTG.

IANAL

2112rws · Oct 25, 2017

Thoughts about empty brass in car. I'm thinking I have various pieces of empty brass of different calibers in my car from trips to the range. If I were to get a DC carry permit and register one pistol could I still be in trouble because of only one caliber registered?

swinokur · Oct 25, 2017

No, that portion of the law was changed. if you have a registered firearm, you can possess any caliber ammo.

IANAL

GTOGUNNER · Oct 26, 2017

Heading to 300 now, should be quick.

Update , I was out in a 20 mins
However, they told me i may require more proof of training. All my Certificates mean little. They will let me know.
Also 90 days for DC is 90 days. Not MSP 90 days.

Sent from the 3rd Rock

press1280 · Oct 29, 2017

GTOGUNNER said:
Heading to 300 now, should be quick.

Update , I was out in a 20 mins
However, they told me i may require more proof of training. All my Certificates mean little. They will let me know.
Also 90 days for DC is 90 days. Not MSP 90 days.

Sent from the 3rd Rock

What training did you submit and how old was the training?

swinokur · Oct 29, 2017

It’s never been made clear if the 2 year limit also applies to previous training. I got out of the Army in 1972 so I hope it’s not.

press1280 · Oct 29, 2017

swinokur said:
It’s never been made clear if the 2 year limit also applies to previous training. I got out of the Army in 1972 so I hope it’s not.

I thought someone else was able to get theirs with a dd214, and I didn't get the impression that person was current or just recently in the service. They may treat that as satisfactory without regard to age, at least for initial permits.
Problem with the DC code is a lot of it is up to the whims of the chief.

swinokur · Oct 29, 2017

By design. Guess who is the chief’s boss?

This way the Govt can continue to control the serfs

As the Church Lady said

“How convenient”.

gre24ene · Oct 29, 2017

press1280 said:
I thought someone else was able to get theirs with a dd214, and I didn't get the impression that person was current or just recently in the service. They may treat that as satisfactory without regard to age, at least for initial permits.
Problem with the DC code is a lot of it is up to the whims of the chief.

I used my DD214 and I got out in 03

swinokur · Oct 29, 2017

The other problem is my DD214 lists medals and awards but not my firearms quals.Hope that’s not a deal breaker

ironpony · Oct 29, 2017

IIRC MD ccw allows cc of a fixed blade knife, does anyone have knowledge of this for DC? Is this included in the training classes some are pushing?

GTOGUNNER · Oct 29, 2017

press1280 said:
What training did you submit and how old was the training?

None. I am A NRA Pistol and Rifle instructor. Also have a MSP Qualified Handgun Instructor Certification.
They accepted that training when I applied in 2015.

Sent from the 3rd Rock

jbrown50 · Oct 29, 2017

swinokur said:
The other problem is my DD214 lists medals and awards but not my firearms quals.Hope that’s not a deal breaker

It's worthwhile to just submit it and talk to Sgt. Hall. They've accepted my DD214, without gun training specified on it, for gun registrations once it was understood that no one goes through basic training without at least range time on the M16. I submitted the DD214 with my carry permit applications but included other training certs too. Still, both times I was rejected only on the good reason.

swinokur · Oct 29, 2017

That makes me feel better. Indeed no one gets out of basic training without quals on the M16, which I did. I have no idea why it isn't listed. Crappy clerks I guess.

I have other training I will submit as well.

2112rws · Oct 30, 2017

Was not listed on my DD214 either but was asked if my unit was Inf. (3rd Bn 6th Inf. stated on DD214). When I said yes the Interviewer seemed to be happy with that.

swinokur · Oct 30, 2017

You mean the MD interviewer or DC?

swinokur · Oct 30, 2017

The map at www.handgunlaw.us has been updated to reflect DC shall issue status.
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mjester93 · Oct 30, 2017

swinokur said:
The map at www.handgunlaw.us has been updated to reflect DC shall issue status.
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Nice! Only 13 (?) More to go

swinokur · Oct 30, 2017

I count 8, not counting NYC, which is part of NY.

And CT is really shall issue if you meet the requirements.

so really 7

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