j_h_smith
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Does Clays Measure Accurately?
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BUFF7MM
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I love the Lee auto drum measures, I've got several attached to Lee turrets, one for 9mm no one for 223. Never tried the Clays in the auto drum, they hadn't come out with it before I relagated my Clays to 12 gauge loads from my MEC sizemaster.
StickShaker
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Sorry for the delayed reply. I get excellent results with all flake powders in my five measures: Redding, old Herter's, Pacific, and home built, and Belding&Mull, not to mention all of my MEC shotshell loaders. Never more than ±.1 grain, which is plenty good enough. (Weigh some pulled charges from out of factory ammo sometime if you want an eye opener regarding this subject.)
My home built pistol powder measure, a takeoff on the old Pacific w/rotary cutoff:
Nice looking job on the home built measure and very helpful info on your drop accuracy. I gained a lot of respect for powder measures when I was making up the .1 grain difference test loads. Just a few flakes of Clays equals .1 grain. I don't have a trickler yet so I picked out a drop that was close to what I wanted and added or subtracted a few flakes. Found that an unused twisty tie worked good for that. Bent a little 90 on the scoop end and squeezed on the sides a bit to make a "V" shape.
StickShaker
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It should be here this week. I also ordered an extra drum set which was just shy of $16. I love it when Midway boxes arrive. Christmas in August!
Magnumite
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^^^ Here! Here!... I love it when Midway boxes arrive. Christmas in August!
StickShaker
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Good point, I haven't gone in full progressive mode with powder yet and didn't think about the other operations. I did notice though how vibration from granules being cut can change the accuracy when I was working up some .223 loads with extruded powder. It actually happened frequently and the next drop was often larger.
BUFF7MM
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It should be here this week. I also ordered an extra drum set which was just shy of $16. I love it when Midway boxes arrive. Christmas in August!
Setup for dropping 2.1 grains of Titegroup for my 380, every drop I've double checked has been perfect. I'm thinking of buying a few more for my other small capacity loads loaded with the turret.
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Magnumite
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Ditto that. Loading 223/5.56 with Varget can get 'interesting'. I remember using IMR 4831 for 7mm Rem Mag - that was throw and trickle. Ball and flake powders have been consistent for me just throwing charges.
StickShaker
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That's good news. I like those Lyman case checkers, great value for the money. I have a Lee question that maybe you could answer. I want to continue expanding/flaring pistol cases with a separate die. I bought a set of the Lee long/short rifle case extenders along with the order thinking I could use the short one for pistol but the spec. says (IIRC) .860 is the shortest case length. 9mm is shorter than .860 and I didn't see any Lee product I could use in lieu of the powder through expander dies for each caliber.
Yeah, that's why I stick with CFE-223 ball powder in my .223's. I get a little better accuracy (at a little lower velocity) with Varget, but I really like the accuracy of measured charges with the CFE-223 (and the copper fouling erasing isn't bad either).
Really? I use it for 45 acp and 38 spl in my 650XL. I test every 100 rounds as I add primers. The powder always stags where I set it with no variations. No even 0.1 on my RCBS Scale.
BUFF7MM
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I'm not quite following you on pistol case expanding in a separate die. The only thing I can think of using as a separate die would be this:
http://leeprecision.com/universal-case-expanding-die.html
I've never used one.
If you're worried about the alignment of the auto drum setup with hitting other dies, I just use this swivel on mine so it makes it easy adjust my seat and crimp dies as needed.
http://leeprecision.com/swivel-adapter.html
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BTW, my method posted was for my Lyman 55 measure. I loaded a LOT of .45 with Bullseye and Unique with virtually no variation in the amount dropped.
With my Dillon, I normally use ball powder, mainly WW231 for pistol, with some HS6. And H335 for 5.56.
With my Dillon, I normally use ball powder, mainly WW231 for pistol, with some HS6. And H335 for 5.56.
StickShaker
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The pistol die sets I have bought so far have a separate die for expanding and I bought them this way on purpose to not use the powder through expander on the Hornady powder measure. Will I be able to do this with the Lee measure without buying Lee powder through expander dies for each caliber?
OOPS...I thought the swivel was already included with the Lee Auto-Drum powder measure.
BUFF7MM
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I think it is with the auto drum. I had a brain fart and was thinking about what I had done with my auto disc measures.
I'm not sure about the die deal you've got going on for the auto drum. Can you post a picture of your die(s)?
StickShaker
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I think it is with the auto drum. I had a brain fart and was thinking about what I had done with my auto disc measures.
I'm not sure about the die deal you've got going on for the auto drum. Can you post a picture of your die(s)?
I'm at work right now. Maybe a better way to ask this question would be, how do I attach the Lee Auto-Drum to my press? I don't have any Lee die sets although I did buy the Lee riser and long/short rifle cartridge extender set. Both are accessories for the Lee Auto-drum and I thought I could use the short rifle extender to attach the Lee powder measure to my press and use it this way for pistol cases.
BUFF7MM
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Doubtful you will be able to attach them to your dies unless they are threaded in the top with the correct threads. The auto drum and/or the extensions you've got won't screw directly into the press if that's what you're after.
I'm envisioning you doing this on a single stage press, hence the separate die for case expanding and you're doing each step as a batch.
I've got jellyitis of the brain today for some reason.
StickShaker
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Doubtful you will be able to attach them to your dies unless they are threaded in the top with the correct threads. The auto drum and/or the extensions you've got won't screw directly into the press if that's what you're after.
I'm envisioning you doing this on a single stage press, hence the separate die for case expanding and you're doing each step as a batch.
I've got jellyitis of the brain today for some reason.
Darn....I wanted to attach it directly on one of the progressive stations. My expander dies won't accept anything on top. Let me ask this question if I may. How do you attach any model Lee powder measure to the press when doing rifle cases?
BUFF7MM
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It would need to be mounted to the top of a rifle charging die.
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