Rep. Hudson to introduce Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act

swinokur · Dec 8, 2017

States cannot ban all carry.

SCOTUS ruled on that in Heller vs DC and McDonald vs Chicago.

GlocksAndPatriots · Dec 8, 2017

GOG-MD said:
Source: Congress.gov H.R. 38 page

The portion I've bolded above worries me. Does this not make concealed carry all or nothing? If reciprocity under this bill is contingent on a given state allowing concealed carry of any kind, then what's stopping may-issue states like Maryland from passing a law making the state no-issue and preventing ANYONE from carrying here? I wouldn't put it past our state legislators.

Apologies if this has already been answered within the thread - I didn't read through all 224 existing pages of the thread.

The main reason for that is that even the most anti-gun Circuit decisions concede that such a right exists, in theory. They just hold that may-issue satisfies intermediate scrutiny. No court has held that no-issue is permissible.

GOG-MD · Dec 8, 2017

swinokur said:
Strates cannot ban all carry.

SCOTUS ruled on that in Heller vs DC and McDonald vs Chicago.

Oh, good to know - thanks! Might be time to apply for a Utah NR permit then.

GOG-MD · Dec 8, 2017

GlocksAndPatriots said:
No court has held that no-issue is permissible.

... yet. Here's hoping that day never comes.

press1280 · Dec 8, 2017

It's never been specifically ruled on by Scotus, but the way DC and IL folding like they did tells me they didn't like their chances.
Their other option is to go all OC, which will be the absolute last thing they'll do

Vetted84 · Dec 8, 2017

GOG-MD said:
Oh, good to know - thanks! Might be time to apply for a Utah NR permit then.

I predict if the bill makes it out of the Senate and out of committee the final version will only apply to a permits issued by the carry holders home state.

NR permits will be a thing of the past, otherwise the MSP licensing division and HPRB will be things of the past. There is a small group here that won't know what to do with themselves twice a month.

Peaceful John · Dec 8, 2017

swinokur said:
States cannot ban all carry.

SCOTUS ruled on that in Heller vs DC and McDonald vs Chicago.

Los Angeles didn't get the memo.

john_bud · Dec 8, 2017

GOG-MD said:
Source: Congress.gov H.R. 38 page

The portion I've bolded above worries me. Does this not make concealed carry all or nothing? If reciprocity under this bill is contingent on a given state allowing concealed carry of any kind, then what's stopping may-issue states like Maryland from passing a law making the state no-issue and preventing ANYONE from carrying here? I wouldn't put it past our state legislators.

Apologies if this has already been answered within the thread - I didn't read through all 224 existing pages of the thread.

Actually, aren't police and politician's security details allowed to concealed carry? I'm assuming that those "individuals" count?

GlocksAndPatriots · Dec 8, 2017

Vetted84 said:
I predict if the bill makes it out of the Senate and out of committee the final version will only apply to a permits issued by the carry holders home state.

NR permits will be a thing of the past, otherwise the MSP licensing division and HPRB will be things of the past. There is a small group here that won't know what to do with themselves twice a month.

I don't think so. I can see it excluding using a NR permit from another state in your own state, but not in general.

Vetted84 · Dec 8, 2017

GlocksAndPatriots said:
I don't think so. I can see it excluding using a NR permit from another state in your own state, but not in general.

Why? If my home state's permit is valid anywhere in the country, why would anyone need an NR permit. I guess folks could get a sash and wear them like Boy Scout merit badges.

travistheone · Dec 8, 2017

Vetted84 said:
Why? If my home state's permit is valid anywhere in the country, why would anyone need an NR permit. I guess folks could get a sash and wear them like Boy Scout merit badges.

because a md permit is difficult to obtain

Vetted84 · Dec 8, 2017

travistheone said:
because a md permit is difficult to obtain

but it serves no purpose if national reciprocity only applies to a MD permit for MD residents.

All the existing interstate reciprocity laws become extinct.

swinokur · Dec 8, 2017

Because other may issue states don't issue permits, like NY for example. Having a NR permit and not being a MD resident would allow carry in MD

Better than a complete ban on carry by others.

Many states honor both resident and NR permits from the same state, without distinction. I'm not sure a ban on NR permits helps if a state wants to recognize both.

I'm not one for predictions. I'll wait and see what happens next.

swinokur · Dec 8, 2017

Vetted84 said:
I predict if the bill makes it out of the Senate and out of committee the final version will only apply to a permits issued by the carry holders home state.

NR permits will be a thing of the past, otherwise the MSP licensing division and HPRB will be things of the past. There is a small group here that won't know what to do with themselves twice a month.

Snarky comments aside, NR permits may not go away.We have no way of knowing what the conference committee will come up with.

The HPRB or an another process will continue to function for MD applicants denied by MSP.

MD will never relinquish control over resident permits, no matter who else may be carrying here.

The antis position is no carry by any other state's' residents. NR or Resident doesn't seem to be the issue. Using another state's standards and requirements is the sticky wicket, not residency.

Atlasarmory · Dec 8, 2017

Anyone want to lay odds on this thing passing ?

Tomcat · Dec 8, 2017

OK right now with my Florida, Utah and New Hampshire NR permits I can carry in 36 States. If this passes is that still OK? or is it all down the drain?

jbrown50 · Dec 8, 2017

swinokur said:
Um, yes there is 922q contains the language for GFSZA. It would also eliminate the stupid BATFE opinion that you must have a license from the state the school is located in.

HR 38, then Title 18 922)q)
.

Ah, great. Thanks swinokur.

swinokur · Dec 8, 2017

hitwtom said:
OK right now with my Florida, Utah and New Hampshire NR permits I can carry in 36 States. If this passes is that still OK? or is it all down the drain?

Despite the prognostications of others here, no one knows what the final version will allow as far as NR permits go.

swinokur · Dec 8, 2017

Originally Posted by swinokur
Um, yes there is 922q contains the language for GFSZA. It would also eliminate the stupid BATFE opinion that you must have a license from the state the school is located in.

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jbrown50 said:
Ah, great. Thanks swinokur.

The Senate version has no such protections, so we don't know what the final version will look like.

esqappellate · Dec 8, 2017

swinokur said:
The Senate version has no such protections, so we don't know what the final version will look like.

Here is a link to MSI’s detailed discussion of HR 38 https://www.marylandshallissue.org/jmain/legislation-tracker

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