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Is there a standard program file for 3D printers?
Cody WIlson v State Department
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Is there a standard program file for 3D printers?
He was well prepared to if he lost completely against the feds. Was ready to go down La Bahía-style.
https://www.wired.com/story/a-landmark-legal-shift-opens-pandoras-box-for-diy-guns/
Bertfish
Throw bread on me
Damn he was ready
Hawkeye
The Leatherstocking
- Jan 29, 2009
- 3,971
Yes. As was mentioned, most of them use .stl files.
However (and I know just enough about this to be dangerous):
The files that DEFCAD published are, by and large, not suitable to just drop in a 3d printer and hit "print" and end up with a gun or receiver. Because of the physical mechanics of how most commercial / hobbyist 3d printers work, you have to design your prints specifically for them. They print by laying down layers of plastic, so you have to make and orient your piece so that the printer can actually do it. Sometimes this means adding supports in various places that you will later remove, or filing in areas that you will later cut or mill out, etc. In addition to that, depending on what material you print with (different kinds of plastic) you will have dimensional shrinkage of different amounts as the material cools after it prints, so you have to adjust things based on that as well.
In short, while it *can* be done it's not "copy the file over and hit print" simple.
- Jan 30, 2013
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This was in the inbox this morning:
No Lawyers - Only Guns and Money
"You Can't Stop The Signal, Mal"
Posted: 31 Jul 2018 09:02 PM PDT
As I noted earlier this evening, Judge Robert Lasnik issued a temporary restraining order preventing Defense Distributed, the Second Amendment Foundation, and Conn Williamson from posting code files for 3-D printing and CNC machining of certain firearms. However, once the genie is out of the bottle, it's out. Or in this case, once the code "escaped" to the Internet, it's out and there is not a damn thing the gun control lobby, the gun prohibitionists, ideologue state attorney generals, or Constitution-ignoring judges can do about it.
Tonight, a new website was established by a coalition of civil and firearms rights groups has been set up and it has a number of files pertaining to 3-D printing and CNC machining on it. The site is called CodeIsFreeSpeech.com. I would encourage everyone to go to that website and download each and every file on it. You may never use the file nor even have a desire to engage in making your own firearm. Nonetheless, the more copies of each and every one of these files that out in the ether of the Internet, the less likely any attempt to stop it will be successful. Think of them as Freedom Files.
The coalition of groups behind this new website issued this release announcing the website - which by the way is up and running - and their intent behind doing so. None of these groups were parties to any of the lawsuits concerning the files of Defense Distributed.
Firearm-Related Speech, Machining Instructions, Codes Published By Civil Rights Organizations, Activists at New CodeIsFreeSpeech.com Website
SACRAMENTO, CA (July 31, 2018) — Tonight, the organizations and individuals behind CodeIsFreeSpeech.com, a new Web site for the publication and sharing of firearm-related speech, including machine code, have issued the following statement:
Our Constitution’s First Amendment secures the right of all people to engage in truthful speech, including by sharing information contained in books, paintings, and files. Indeed, freedom of speech is a bedrock principle of our United States and a cornerstone of our democratic Republic. Through CodeIsFreeSpeech.com, we intend to encourage people to consider new and different aspects of our nation’s marketplace of ideas – even if some government officials disagree with our views or dislike our content – because information is code, code is free speech, and free speech is freedom.
Should any tyrants wish to chill or infringe the rights of the People, we would welcome the opportunity to defend freedom whenever, wherever, and however necessary. Hand-waving and hyperbole are not compelling government interests and censorship is not proper tailoring under the law.
There is no doubt that Cody Wilson and Defense Distributed have inspired countless Americans to exercise their fundamental, individual rights, including through home gunsmithing. Through CodeIsFreeSpeech.com, we hope to promote the collection and dissemination of truthful, non-misleading speech, new and evolving ideas, and the advancement of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.
CodeIsFreeSpeech.com is a publicly-available Web site for truthful, non-misleading speech and information that is protected under the United States Constitution. The purpose of this project is to allow people to share knowledge and empower them to exercise their fundamental, individual rights. CodeIsFreeSpeech.com is a project of Firearms Policy Coalition, Firearms Policy Foundation, The Calguns Foundation, California Association of Federal Firearms Licensees, and a number of individuals who are passionate about the Constitution and individual liberties.
Firearms Policy Coalition (www.firearmspolicy.org) is a 501(c)4 grassroots nonprofit organization. FPC’s mission is to defend the Constitution of the United States, especially the fundamental, individual Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, through advocacy, legal action, education, and outreach.
Firearms Policy Foundation (www.firearmsfoundation.org) is a 501(c)3 grassroots nonprofit organization. FPF’s mission is to defend the Constitution of the United States and the People’s rights, privileges and immunities deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition, especially the inalienable, fundamental, and individual right to keep and bear arms.
The Calguns Foundation (www.calgunsfoundation.org) is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization that serves its members, supporters, and the public through educational, cultural, and judicial efforts to advance Second Amendment and related civil rights.
California Association of Federal Firearms Licensees (www.calffl.org) is a 501(c)6 nonprofit organization serving its members and the public through direct and grassroots issue advocacy, regulatory input, legal efforts, and education. CAL-FFL’s membership includes firearm dealers, training professionals, shooting ranges, licensed collectors, others who participate in the firearms ecosystem.
Clinton-appointed Judge Ignores Constitution And Issues TRO Against Defense Distributed
Posted: 31 Jul 2018 04:15 PM PDT
US District Court Judge Robert Lasnik, a Clinton appointee, held an emergency hearing this afternoon in Washington State concerning a request for a Temporary Restraining Order to prevent Defense Distributed from publishing their files effective tomorrow. The TRO was sought by the Attorneys General of Washington State, Connecticut, Maryland, Oregon, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and the District of Columbia.
From the docket entry:
MINUTE ENTRY for proceedings held before Judge Robert S. Lasnik- Dep Clerk: Kerry Simonds; Pla Counsel: Jeff Rupert, Jeff Sprung, Kristin Beneski, Todd Bowers; Def Counsel: Joel Ard, Josh Blackman, Eric Soskin, Tony Coppolino; CR: Nancy Bauer; Time of Hearing: 2:00 p.m.; Courtroom: 15106; Motion Hearing held on 7/31/2018 re 2 MOTION for Temporary Restraining Order filed by State of Washington. The Court addresses the parties. After hearing the arguments of counsel, and for reasons stated on the record, the Court GRANTS the Motion for Temporary Restraining Order and schedules a hearing for 8/10/2018 at 9:00 AM in Courtroom 15106 before Judge Robert S. Lasnik. An Order shall issue. (KERR) (Entered: 07/31/2018)
It is quite questionable whether Judge Lasnik actually had the authority to issue such an order. Moreover, it is also questionable whether the plaintiffs had any standing in this case. Of course, none of this has stopped activist judges determined to stop any and all actions decided by the Trump Administration.
As attorney and law professor Josh Blackman stated in his initial letter to the court:
For reasons we will explain in a supplemental pleading—filed seriatim to accommodate the rapid pace of this litigation—the Plaintiffs cannot succeed on the merits: the State Department’s actions are not subject to judicial review, the duty to notify Congress has not yet been triggered, and the Commodity Jurisdiction procedure simply does not apply. See Exhibit D.
Fortunately, the bedrock principles of the First Amendment make this case much easier. A finding that a constitutional right “‘is either threatened or in fact being impaired’. . . mandates a finding of irreparable injury.”7 And “[t]he loss of First Amendment freedoms, for even minimal periods of time, unquestionably constitutes irreparable injury.”8 Outside of court papers, the Attorney General of Washington bluntly acknowledged the purpose of his litigation: to “make it as difficult as humanly possible to access this information.”9 That statement against interest, by itself, is enough to deny the Temporary Restraining Order in its entirety.
The Plaintiffs can challenge the proposed rule in due time when it is finalized. But they cannot mount a collateral attack in order to censor speech.
Blackman goes on to say in a subsequent letter that the District Court for the Western District of Washington lacks "subject matter jurisdiction."
This ruling illustrates even more poignantly that Brett Kavanaugh needs to be confirmed sooner than later to replace Justice Anthony Kennedy."
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No Lawyers - Only Guns and Money
"You Can't Stop The Signal, Mal"
Posted: 31 Jul 2018 09:02 PM PDT
As I noted earlier this evening, Judge Robert Lasnik issued a temporary restraining order preventing Defense Distributed, the Second Amendment Foundation, and Conn Williamson from posting code files for 3-D printing and CNC machining of certain firearms. However, once the genie is out of the bottle, it's out. Or in this case, once the code "escaped" to the Internet, it's out and there is not a damn thing the gun control lobby, the gun prohibitionists, ideologue state attorney generals, or Constitution-ignoring judges can do about it.
Tonight, a new website was established by a coalition of civil and firearms rights groups has been set up and it has a number of files pertaining to 3-D printing and CNC machining on it. The site is called CodeIsFreeSpeech.com. I would encourage everyone to go to that website and download each and every file on it. You may never use the file nor even have a desire to engage in making your own firearm. Nonetheless, the more copies of each and every one of these files that out in the ether of the Internet, the less likely any attempt to stop it will be successful. Think of them as Freedom Files.
The coalition of groups behind this new website issued this release announcing the website - which by the way is up and running - and their intent behind doing so. None of these groups were parties to any of the lawsuits concerning the files of Defense Distributed.
Firearm-Related Speech, Machining Instructions, Codes Published By Civil Rights Organizations, Activists at New CodeIsFreeSpeech.com Website
SACRAMENTO, CA (July 31, 2018) — Tonight, the organizations and individuals behind CodeIsFreeSpeech.com, a new Web site for the publication and sharing of firearm-related speech, including machine code, have issued the following statement:
Our Constitution’s First Amendment secures the right of all people to engage in truthful speech, including by sharing information contained in books, paintings, and files. Indeed, freedom of speech is a bedrock principle of our United States and a cornerstone of our democratic Republic. Through CodeIsFreeSpeech.com, we intend to encourage people to consider new and different aspects of our nation’s marketplace of ideas – even if some government officials disagree with our views or dislike our content – because information is code, code is free speech, and free speech is freedom.
Should any tyrants wish to chill or infringe the rights of the People, we would welcome the opportunity to defend freedom whenever, wherever, and however necessary. Hand-waving and hyperbole are not compelling government interests and censorship is not proper tailoring under the law.
There is no doubt that Cody Wilson and Defense Distributed have inspired countless Americans to exercise their fundamental, individual rights, including through home gunsmithing. Through CodeIsFreeSpeech.com, we hope to promote the collection and dissemination of truthful, non-misleading speech, new and evolving ideas, and the advancement of the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.
CodeIsFreeSpeech.com is a publicly-available Web site for truthful, non-misleading speech and information that is protected under the United States Constitution. The purpose of this project is to allow people to share knowledge and empower them to exercise their fundamental, individual rights. CodeIsFreeSpeech.com is a project of Firearms Policy Coalition, Firearms Policy Foundation, The Calguns Foundation, California Association of Federal Firearms Licensees, and a number of individuals who are passionate about the Constitution and individual liberties.
Firearms Policy Coalition (www.firearmspolicy.org) is a 501(c)4 grassroots nonprofit organization. FPC’s mission is to defend the Constitution of the United States, especially the fundamental, individual Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms, through advocacy, legal action, education, and outreach.
Firearms Policy Foundation (www.firearmsfoundation.org) is a 501(c)3 grassroots nonprofit organization. FPF’s mission is to defend the Constitution of the United States and the People’s rights, privileges and immunities deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition, especially the inalienable, fundamental, and individual right to keep and bear arms.
The Calguns Foundation (www.calgunsfoundation.org) is a 501(c)3 non-profit organization that serves its members, supporters, and the public through educational, cultural, and judicial efforts to advance Second Amendment and related civil rights.
California Association of Federal Firearms Licensees (www.calffl.org) is a 501(c)6 nonprofit organization serving its members and the public through direct and grassroots issue advocacy, regulatory input, legal efforts, and education. CAL-FFL’s membership includes firearm dealers, training professionals, shooting ranges, licensed collectors, others who participate in the firearms ecosystem.
Clinton-appointed Judge Ignores Constitution And Issues TRO Against Defense Distributed
Posted: 31 Jul 2018 04:15 PM PDT
US District Court Judge Robert Lasnik, a Clinton appointee, held an emergency hearing this afternoon in Washington State concerning a request for a Temporary Restraining Order to prevent Defense Distributed from publishing their files effective tomorrow. The TRO was sought by the Attorneys General of Washington State, Connecticut, Maryland, Oregon, Massachusetts, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and the District of Columbia.
From the docket entry:
MINUTE ENTRY for proceedings held before Judge Robert S. Lasnik- Dep Clerk: Kerry Simonds; Pla Counsel: Jeff Rupert, Jeff Sprung, Kristin Beneski, Todd Bowers; Def Counsel: Joel Ard, Josh Blackman, Eric Soskin, Tony Coppolino; CR: Nancy Bauer; Time of Hearing: 2:00 p.m.; Courtroom: 15106; Motion Hearing held on 7/31/2018 re 2 MOTION for Temporary Restraining Order filed by State of Washington. The Court addresses the parties. After hearing the arguments of counsel, and for reasons stated on the record, the Court GRANTS the Motion for Temporary Restraining Order and schedules a hearing for 8/10/2018 at 9:00 AM in Courtroom 15106 before Judge Robert S. Lasnik. An Order shall issue. (KERR) (Entered: 07/31/2018)
It is quite questionable whether Judge Lasnik actually had the authority to issue such an order. Moreover, it is also questionable whether the plaintiffs had any standing in this case. Of course, none of this has stopped activist judges determined to stop any and all actions decided by the Trump Administration.
As attorney and law professor Josh Blackman stated in his initial letter to the court:
For reasons we will explain in a supplemental pleading—filed seriatim to accommodate the rapid pace of this litigation—the Plaintiffs cannot succeed on the merits: the State Department’s actions are not subject to judicial review, the duty to notify Congress has not yet been triggered, and the Commodity Jurisdiction procedure simply does not apply. See Exhibit D.
Fortunately, the bedrock principles of the First Amendment make this case much easier. A finding that a constitutional right “‘is either threatened or in fact being impaired’. . . mandates a finding of irreparable injury.”7 And “[t]he loss of First Amendment freedoms, for even minimal periods of time, unquestionably constitutes irreparable injury.”8 Outside of court papers, the Attorney General of Washington bluntly acknowledged the purpose of his litigation: to “make it as difficult as humanly possible to access this information.”9 That statement against interest, by itself, is enough to deny the Temporary Restraining Order in its entirety.
The Plaintiffs can challenge the proposed rule in due time when it is finalized. But they cannot mount a collateral attack in order to censor speech.
Blackman goes on to say in a subsequent letter that the District Court for the Western District of Washington lacks "subject matter jurisdiction."
This ruling illustrates even more poignantly that Brett Kavanaugh needs to be confirmed sooner than later to replace Justice Anthony Kennedy."
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smokey
2A TEACHER
- Jan 31, 2008
- 31,534
How detailed do gun designs need to be in order to be blocked? As discussed, defcad designs still need tweaking by the end user to print. Theoretically someone could pull up a gun's patent file and program it in themselves. A little more vague, someone could look at pictures of a gun to reproduce it. Does this mean that the news is violating itar every time they display an image of a gun? I mean, that image is essentially the plans for someone to program a 3d printer to copy it.
That's the claim by the State AGs that the judge just cut and pasted into his opinion without addressing any of the arguments made by Josh in response:
https://www.scribd.com/document/385...buted-Response-to-Temporary-Restraining-Order
Looks like the State Department has now removed the notice that they had posted on the 27th:
https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/
https://www.pmddtc.state.gov/
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
The totally hidden from metal detection devices is getting old too.
Steel springs.....Metal.
Ammunition.....Metal.
What are people's opinions on these guns using plastic barrels? I'm thinking that won't work. So.....Barrels.....Metal.
Steel springs.....Metal.
Ammunition.....Metal.
What are people's opinions on these guns using plastic barrels? I'm thinking that won't work. So.....Barrels.....Metal.
Hawkeye
The Leatherstocking
- Jan 29, 2009
- 3,971
The Liberator pistol in particular actually is totally made of plastic, including the barrel. It is in .380 and is a single shot handgun patterned after the idea of the FP-45 Liberator from WWII. They "work" but not all that well and they don't last long.
But your overall point stands, and people are acting like anyone will be able to go to their local library and print out a functioning AR15 or 1911 or something, and that's just not the case.
Blacksmith101
Grumpy Old Man
- Jun 22, 2012
- 22,293
So someone who lives in a blocked state like PA or NJ could go to an unblocked state say MD for example and go to a public library that offers computer access like the Cecil County Library and download the file and take it back to their home state.
Almost like someone from a magazine capacity restricted state like MD going to a free state like PA or DE and buying a standard capacity magazine and taking them home.
PowPow
Where's the beef?
A completed Liberator contains 6oz of steel by law. That steel is not functional.
jcutonilli
Ultimate Member
- Mar 28, 2013
- 2,474
It is not actually totally plastic. That would be illegal. It has a metal firing pin.
https://techcrunch.com/2013/05/06/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-liberator-3d-printed-pistol/
jcutonilli
Ultimate Member
- Mar 28, 2013
- 2,474
So someone who lives in a blocked state like PA or NJ could go to an unblocked state say MD for example and go to a public library that offers computer access like the Cecil County Library and download the file and take it back to their home state.
Almost like someone from a magazine capacity restricted state like MD going to a free state like PA or DE and buying a standard capacity magazine and taking them home.
The WA lawsuit blocked the site for everyone. There are many other places where the files can be downloaded that can be reached from PA, NJ or anywhere else.
jcutonilli
Ultimate Member
- Mar 28, 2013
- 2,474
PowPow
Where's the beef?
Correct. But a completed liberator has ~6oz, 3.7 oz. by law.
jjones88
Active Member
So it's in G-Code or whatever "Ghost Gunner's" format is?
So assume it's not in standard G-Code, nor if you knew whatever the creator's zero reference was, it would be even more useless?
delaware_export
Ultimate Member
- Apr 10, 2018
- 3,239
interview with cody wilson
if your interested. it's a fairly short article.
http://www.recoilweb.com/defense-distributed-faces-new-legal-hurdles-140072.html
if your interested. it's a fairly short article.
http://www.recoilweb.com/defense-distributed-faces-new-legal-hurdles-140072.html
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