C&R FFL RENEWAL

Boom Boom · Nov 14, 2014

No need to buy a "book". An electronic spreadsheet with appropriate formatting is perfectly acceptable. Just print out pages as you add entries.

Jstevens56 · Nov 14, 2014

Boom Boom said:
No need to buy a "book". An electronic spreadsheet with appropriate formatting is perfectly acceptable. Just print out pages as you add entries.

I prefer something a little nicer.

PJDiesel · Nov 14, 2014

Jstevens56 said:
I prefer something a little nicer.

I prefer something cheap (as in free). I have a 3 ring binder, fully legit and serves the purpose.

sig63 · Nov 17, 2014

So maybe I'm missing something here, but...forgive me for being dense and slow on the pickup.

If I let it expire, then "dispose of my book" as I see fit, then reapply, what is the status of my collection from the previous BB? And why not just keep everything in the BB?

rseymorejr · Nov 17, 2014

What happens if they audit you and your bound book was lost in a boating accident?

abr10dr · Nov 21, 2014

Just a follow up FYI - I ended up putting N/A in the hours of operation, and received my renewed C&R FFL yesterday. So N/A worked for me.

Boom Boom · Nov 22, 2014

sig63 said:
If I let it expire, then "dispose of my book" as I see fit, then reapply, what is the status of my collection from the previous BB? And why not just keep everything in the BB?

The collection becomes yours free and clear of the former bound book.

ATF will probably ream you a new one in an audit if your book contains entries that are invalid for your new (non-carryover) license. Never go ad hoc. Follow the regulations strictly.

rseymorejr said:
What happens if they audit you and your bound book was lost in a boating accident?

You risk losing your freedom and non-disqualified status.

Demoneyes86 · Nov 22, 2014

I have a similar question but a little different i have to renew soon and i also recently moved how do i go about this. Sorry to thread jack but i figured i could get an answer here.

Boom Boom · Nov 22, 2014

Call ATF. You need to call anyway to update your existing license.

Demoneyes86 · Nov 22, 2014

cant seem to find the number anyone have it?

Boom Boom · Nov 22, 2014

http://www.atf.gov/content/contact-us/contact-ATF-service-centers
Firearms licensing office in WV, (866) 662-2750

StantonCree · Nov 22, 2014

I just learned something. So if you don't renew you can toss the book in the trash?

Personally I wouldn't do that because for me and MSP it's a record of where I got these things. However I had no idea about that. I only keep it around in case I see a nice older Ruger and I am at some point going to get a Mosin Sniper and a Enfield........otherwise I have no interest in C&R

Boom Boom · Nov 22, 2014

Yes, can discard the book immediately upon expiration if you wish. I'm you you. Keeping it for my permanent private records.

Your C&R list is way too short.

The C&R bug will bite you hard sooner or later. Way too much cool old stuff out there. You NEED a nice Mosin M44 and Russian or Chinese SKS. Then there's all the military handguns. Once you buy the first one, the light bulb should switch on.

TapRackBang · Nov 22, 2014

Boom Boom said:
ATF is wise to people renewing shortly after the old license expires (to dispose of records) and those people are getting audited at high rates.

Do we have any actual proof of this or is it just an old wive's tale?
I think it's the latter because they would often be auditing empty bound books.
The people in government love to waste our money, but they don't like to waste their time.

Docster · Nov 22, 2014

Hello all,

I've been following the C & R forums for a few years now under this alias and as a member of the Maryland Democratic Committee and personal friend of Attorney General-elect Frosh, I'm concerned that what you've highlighted here is a massive loophole in the law which allows unregistered guns to circulate freely in the state of Maryland.

I will bring this to the attention of the proper authorities immediately. This must be stopped for the children!

Thanks,

Ima Spy

PJDiesel · Nov 22, 2014

Huh.

It's not a "loophole", it's the current law.....

rseymorejr · Nov 22, 2014

PJDiesel said:
Huh.

It's not a "loophole", it's the current law.....

One man's legal activity is another's loophole :sad20:

Boom Boom · Nov 22, 2014

TapRackBang said:
Do we have any actual proof of this or is it just an old wive's tale?
I think it's the latter because they would often be auditing empty bound books.
The people in government love to waste our money, but they don't like to waste their time.

Sounds like you've decided on your own. Try it and find out. Chances are nothing will happen. But maybe you'll get the short straw. There are only so many auditors with so many hours each day. You've got the logic somewhat backwards. ATF is watching for people who use the license period to stock up on a large C&R inventory in order to sell it off the radar as a de facto dealer when the license expires. The audits in question are to track down who's doing it and to make sure sales are legal and not continuing off the books when the new license is issued.

Boom Boom · Nov 22, 2014

Doc, they don't get sarcasm.

rseymorejr · Nov 22, 2014

Boom Boom said:
Doc, they don't get sarcasm.

My comment was about the Bloomberg's, O'Malley's and Frosh's of this world.

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