dgapilot
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I think they figured it took too much hard work to live off grid. They got lazy and now want mother government to satisfy their needs and wants.
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HPRB August 2, 2016 Meeting Thread
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So would Madison. I understand the distinction, just using the vernacular of the people. If I was Fred, I'd call them Bolsheviks.Mark Levin approves of this post.
The point is the paternalistic attitude that they don't recognize for bigotry.
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Liberals still want the Government to leave them alone, what you describe is another group entirely that have never been and never will be liberal.
Their kids maybe, but not the liberal of the 60s and 70s.
I haven't read the HPRB threads in a couple months but it does not seem things are any better and blood pressures are higher. and Hillary is 10 points ahead.
Doing the math, the Liberals of the 60s and 70s are getting on in years and require more specialized medical attention and care. You just can't find that in the deep woods, and available providers in the sticks are saturated. So they look to Uncle Sugar to meet their needs. Just a reality check for another generation.
- Mar 8, 2013
- 6,993
I have to disagree. A lot of things are better than they were, but it's still a work in progress, with a lot to be done. Chairman Wilson has done an outstanding job making improvements and continues to do so, but he can't do it all by himself.
That was the point of my lengthy post above. Whatever direction or lack of direction that is coming from Pollazzi has left the LD to continue struggling to apply procedures, not the law, that are the result of years of political meddling to restrict access to and scope of permits. In other words, prior Supers have overly complicated things under political pressure. For the most part MSP appears to still be denying or restricting the vast majority of those that apply. Hell they continue to apply the standards without citing by name Snowden and Scherer. That forces a lot of these cases to the Board that you would think should have been handled by MSP in the first place. That causes many months of additional delay. At a minimum the entire process is still taking more than a year.
Then when heard on appeal, the Board seems to struggle with applying the law not the tired old politically influenced procedures still being advanced by MSP.
In a span of just a few hearings an on call contractor had his restrictions removed, an on call ships pilot got his restrictions removed, then an on call cardiac surgeon in the worst part of Baltimore is denied altogether.
With the high cost of training and applying, the time it takes to navigate the process, and what appears to be inconsistent results, a lot of people just won't apply - they will just remain pissed off and angry.
If the Superintendent would revamp and uncomplicate his predecessors overly restrictive scheme, it could remove a lot of subjectivity from the process, make it easier for the LD to apply, result in far fewer appeals and lessen the time involved. That doesn't mean everyone is going to get a permit. The MSP still has to weed out prohibited persons and apply the law. But it might help reduce the blood pressure of everyone that is involved and that the current scheme seems to pit against one another.
Yes I remain frustrated, but the process can be simplified and improved to make the outcomes more consistent even under the current law while we work toward electing people to the legislature that can scrap and rewrite a 45 year old law that was intended to be subjective and biased, not universally fair.
Gosh, I wish we could get this onto a T-shirt that I could wear to HPRB meetings
I agree. Great summary cutting to the heart of the problem.
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Great post Gryphon.
Unfortunately, Joe Schmuckatellis like me will be dead before Maryland changes to real or de facto shall issue. Doesn't mean I will stop fighting for our rights but it might be faster for me to become a ship's pilot.
Mr H
Banana'd
Those people are not much other than a perpetual dependent class, living off the largesse arranged by the left. As planned.
And, as part of the magic act, the 'statists in charge' use the power of the press to try and convince their dependents that the right are the fascists!!!
Well said, again, and I mostly agree.
However, I think you're making a fatal mistake on the basic assumption that the powers that be in the MSP want to make the process fair and right.
I suspect they do not, and that this probably ascends as far as the Governor's Office.
I just do not see any evidence that fixing this is anywhere near the current administration's interests. And, even if it was, the power to do something about it--or worse, make things more restrictive--lies in the General Assembly, not with the Governor.
My prediction is that we're in for more of the same, even if Hogan gets a second term unless there are major changes in the General Assembly.
How about this?
I think it encapsulates Gryphon's post pretty well.
Oh, and I recall catching one of the troopers using the magic phrase "the law intended..." during one of their soliloquies at the meeting.
As much as a guy living in Legislative District 20 can.
Edit: Oh, by the way, here are my representatives -
State Senator (District 20):
Jamie Raskin
State Delegates (District 20):
Sheila E. Hixson
David Moon
William C. Smith, Jr.
Any thoughts on changing their minds on 2A or replacing them will be appreciated.
Start with the MoCo Republican Central Committee, and then see if there is a local Republican club.
I feel your pain, Im next door in District 21, PM me and I will be happy to meet for coffee or a beer sometime and talk about what has happened and what we expect to happen.
- Mar 8, 2013
- 6,993
Someone I bumped into asked me about this. I posted it in another HPRB post way back, but have copied and pasted it here:
"Maryland does recognize an administrative board's - like the HPRB's - inherent authority to reconsider their own quasi-judicial decisions, even while a petition for judicial review is pending in the circuit court. However, such reconsideration must be based on new facts, fraud, surprise, mistake or inadvertence, and not just on a mere change of mind. In other words, as long as there is a legitimate basis for reconsideration, a Board may reverse its prior decision and that will not be deemed to have been a mere change of mind. See Cinque v. Montgomery County Planning Board, 173 Md.App. 349 (2007)."
In other words, an administrative board retains its authority and jurisdiction to reconsider its decisions for good cause at any time prior to it issuing its final order, and even afterwards while a petition for judicial review is pendent in the circuit court. The rationale is the administration of justice, i.e. getting it right.
"Maryland does recognize an administrative board's - like the HPRB's - inherent authority to reconsider their own quasi-judicial decisions, even while a petition for judicial review is pending in the circuit court. However, such reconsideration must be based on new facts, fraud, surprise, mistake or inadvertence, and not just on a mere change of mind. In other words, as long as there is a legitimate basis for reconsideration, a Board may reverse its prior decision and that will not be deemed to have been a mere change of mind. See Cinque v. Montgomery County Planning Board, 173 Md.App. 349 (2007)."
In other words, an administrative board retains its authority and jurisdiction to reconsider its decisions for good cause at any time prior to it issuing its final order, and even afterwards while a petition for judicial review is pendent in the circuit court. The rationale is the administration of justice, i.e. getting it right.
Nobody
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- Jan 15, 2009
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Has there been an instance where the MSPs restrictions were overturned and the permit holder was caught out of their restrictions ( new permit not mailed) and if so what was the outcome of that incident?
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mxrider
Former MSI Treasurer
I am not aware of such an instance, but until the new permit is in hand, the restrictions still apply and would be subject to full prosecution imo.
I will not be the test case
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