Lanier says Justice system broken
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- Nov 11, 2009
- 30,989
My bad. My plea for the "little guy" was not meant to argue for criminal defense specifically. It was meant - though not well expressed - to note that the full force of the government's legal apparatus tends to overwhelm any single citizen who may suffer oppression from the legal bureaucracy. A virtual army of lawyers stands to grind down the individual, whose resources are far from equivalent to those the government can bring ro bear.
Even large corporations are intimidated into settling suits brought against them by the government, paying millions of dollars merely to avoid further depradation by the government and its regulators.
Administrative law judges are a force unto themselves. They are unelected, not responsive to the citizenry, and operate in a legal sphere where they cannot be opposed by any legal mechanism. I don't see any accountability there, at all.
In retrospect, my post probably doesn't belong in this thread at all, so apologies for the derailment.
- Nov 6, 2015
- 236
On her way out, she decides to criticize the justice system. GREAT. When she first realized the problem, and it could have been recently, why didn't she speak out and try to help fix it? This would not be an attack on LEOs, it would be on the system. You cant tell me she didn't have the connections to make some sort of a stand.
As she leaves she slings mud. Kinda sound like sour grapes.
As she leaves she slings mud. Kinda sound like sour grapes.
Name Taken
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She isn't wrong.
The police are expected to play psych Dr., deal with juveniles that the parent ('s left off intentionally) won't/can't control, and then the actual criminals. Parts of society and the courts have allowed "minor crimes" from being prosecuted and are actually pushing for these minor crimes not to be arrested. Maryland adds more and more "society" crimes each year that the police can not arrest for yet folks want all these minor crimes enforced as soon as it ends up on their corner or in their neighborhood.
I personally think the police, judges, and states attorneys need far more accountability. If the case is Nolle Pros then it should be posted for the public with a reason why. Sometimes the it's just that the burden for conviction isn't there and that's fine it's part of the legal system. But if it's because the police messed it it should be on them to fix their office. If it's the judge is a liberal 5th chance giver then the public needs to know this as eventually they are up for reelection/appointment. If it's the State Attorney wanting to get their case load over and pulled their conviction rate that needs to be addressed. If we need more judges/states attorneys to handle the amount of cases then let us get started on that.
The police do carry the burden of the legal system failure and it's an unjust appointment in the majority of cases.
The police are expected to play psych Dr., deal with juveniles that the parent ('s left off intentionally) won't/can't control, and then the actual criminals. Parts of society and the courts have allowed "minor crimes" from being prosecuted and are actually pushing for these minor crimes not to be arrested. Maryland adds more and more "society" crimes each year that the police can not arrest for yet folks want all these minor crimes enforced as soon as it ends up on their corner or in their neighborhood.
I personally think the police, judges, and states attorneys need far more accountability. If the case is Nolle Pros then it should be posted for the public with a reason why. Sometimes the it's just that the burden for conviction isn't there and that's fine it's part of the legal system. But if it's because the police messed it it should be on them to fix their office. If it's the judge is a liberal 5th chance giver then the public needs to know this as eventually they are up for reelection/appointment. If it's the State Attorney wanting to get their case load over and pulled their conviction rate that needs to be addressed. If we need more judges/states attorneys to handle the amount of cases then let us get started on that.
The police do carry the burden of the legal system failure and it's an unjust appointment in the majority of cases.
So felon has to equal drug user?
ABSO friggin LUTELY sir!
Except I don't see this being a LEO issue by and large. LEO's by and large tend to capably handle their part of the process. A large part of what we see with today's subsequent catch and release? When it comes to the "prosecutors" and "judges", we typically don't even have a clue in hell regarding just exactly who the hell they are. The recognition piece is largely non-existent. And you can bet your ass they want and like it just exactly that way.
Enough of today's reality of the man or the woman "behind the curtain." High time that "the judge" and "the prosecutor" have names assigned. Which would be an absolute prerequisite to them then being charted and measured. Which would in turn mean there's at least some possibility, however remote but given the establishment of identity, of some trailing sense of accountability. That accountability has to exist for there to be ANY possibility that tomorrow can look like something other than the complete circus we too often see today.
IJM
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Well said. I'd be curious to hear your perspectives on how the US Attorney's role in prosecuting felony cases plays into the situation, given that DC is unique in this regard.
I'd also add that the MPD officers and leadership that I've talked with in 5D share your concerns, not surprisingly. There seems to be quite a bit of agreement among my neighbors as well about this problem.
kgain673
I'm sorry for the typos!!
- Dec 18, 2007
- 1,820
Well one kicks a ball down a grass field, the other spends 6 hours in direct contact with minor children and is responsible for their education. How many times have we heard of school teachers sexually abusing students, administrators and teachers embezzling and stealing school funds or property or physically assaulting students. It's actually a common occurrence but teachers don't have 10 million dollar employment contracts at 21 years of age like NFL players do. The truth is, why do we hold these athletes to a higher standard then we hold our teachers?
Cathy Lanier: Your options are run, hide, or fight. I'd have appreciated a little more clarity as to that last option.
