Why is MSP acting crazy???
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BigSteve57
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- Feb 14, 2011
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Interesting. Go after them personally.
fabsroman
Ultimate Member
I made it half way through it. Pretty interesting. For an attorney that does that sort of thing, they would know the answer off the top of their head. Me, I would need to research it some more to see what the MSP brass could possibly be personally liable for. Wonder if people could sue O'Malley over this.
Thing is, I think the real problem is the shops that are not releasing on time. The state has made it pretty clear that shops can release regulated firearms on the 8th day after submitting the Form 77r to the MSP if the shop has not heard back from the MSP.
The only area of concern is where people have bought handguns after September 23rd, but the AG letter about needing the HQL has been out there since August 1, 2013.
Thing is, I think the real problem is the shops that are not releasing on time. The state has made it pretty clear that shops can release regulated firearms on the 8th day after submitting the Form 77r to the MSP if the shop has not heard back from the MSP.
The only area of concern is where people have bought handguns after September 23rd, but the AG letter about needing the HQL has been out there since August 1, 2013.
IndispensableDestiny
Ultimate Member
Those not releasing on the 8th day are not worried about the MSP. They are worried about the ATF.
iH8DemLibz
When All Else Fails.
I personally think it's because they know their work load is about to tripple next week.
I'm waiting for the uproar to start when people don't have their HQL's in hand on day 30, 31, 32, 33, 57, 78, 102, etc., etc., etc...
I'm waiting for the uproar to start when people don't have their HQL's in hand on day 30, 31, 32, 33, 57, 78, 102, etc., etc., etc...
Hopalong
Man of Many Nicknames
They seem crazy lately because they're stuck between doing what the Governor/GA is telling them to do and realizing that doing so could land their collective asses in a sling. Extreme personal conflict can often cause irrational behavior.
Mooseman
R.I.P.- Hooligan #4
I will be purchasing a handgun on October 1, just to see what happens when I don't have my HQL by October 30.
StantonCree
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- Jan 23, 2011
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Ill read the case in a bit but side note.
I bought a beretta on 7/16/12 and want to sell it to help a woman out. I don't need the gun I just wanted a beretta to cerekote. Its now 9/26/13 and they haven't even looked at my app. I called and spoke to a civilian worker today who not only cut me off multiple times while taking but due to that was giving me wrong information because she wasn't understanding my question due to not letting me finish.
I deal with upset idiots everyday so I'm quite the patient man, today I had to stop her. "Ma'am, I'm a sworn officer and I understand what your saying however you keep interrupting me and giving me information that couldn't be more worthless. Please either stop talking so I can actually explain or transfer me to your supervisor" she shut up. But I can't sell the gun I bought 2 months ago
I think the ATF is pretty clear that 8th day release is ok.
From Here:http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/brady-law.html#comply-brady-law
railbird
Member
You know, this brings up an interesting question. Are we expecting a revised 77r on October 1st? One that requires the HQL number?
Nevermind. I found it. Mike Smigiel posted a draft months ago.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/157075461/77R-Part-1-p1-updated-7-20-13-1
77r requires the HQL number.
You are not buying a gun October 1st. You might put a deposit on one, or put it on layaway but there's no way anybody who requires the HQL is buying a handgun October 1st. Or 2nd. Or 3rd. Or 4th...............................
Is it spelled out anywhere when the clock starts ticking on the 30 day mark? Is it when an application is initiated, or when you have completed the final requirement for the HQL?
Maryland being the way it is, I imagine it's upon completion of the requirements...like the 30 days between receiving a regulated weapon without DC status.
Maryland being the way it is, I imagine it's upon completion of the requirements...like the 30 days between receiving a regulated weapon without DC status.
CrazySanMan
2013'er
Mooseman
R.I.P.- Hooligan #4
But I can't sell the gun I bought 2 months ago
Why?
mxrider
Former MSI Treasurer
But I can't sell the gun I bought 2 months ago
Showing your original 77r for the purchase should suffice even if they haven't recorded you as the legal owner yet. Others have done this already.
Mr H
Banana'd
Ill read the case in a bit but side note.
I bought a beretta on 7/16/12 and want to sell it to help a woman out. I don't need the gun I just wanted a beretta to cerekote. Its now 9/26/13 and they haven't even looked at my app. I called and spoke to a civilian worker today who not only cut me off multiple times while taking but due to that was giving me wrong information because she wasn't understanding my question due to not letting me finish.
I deal with upset idiots everyday so I'm quite the patient man, today I had to stop her. "Ma'am, I'm a sworn officer and I understand what your saying however you keep interrupting me and giving me information that couldn't be more worthless. Please either stop talking so I can actually explain or transfer me to your supervisor" she shut up. But I can't sell the gun I bought 2 months ago
You should be able to take your pink copy along with you, and show it to the trooper. Worked for the guy I just bought one from, when we discovered his records were farked.
Of sourse, this was at GB... YMMV...
01Stroker4x4
Member
Licensing Division told me that there can not be two pending applications for the same firearm/serial number. Also as far as MSP is concerned the firearm is not legally yours to sell until the background check has been completed......
I was interested in transferring a lower to friend,with the only possible route being canceling the original 77r and filling out new paperwork through the dealer. Making it as if the lower never belonged to me.
Would I be ok to just do the person to person transfer and see what happens?
Wow! If I am reading this anywhere near right I would not be surprised if everyone in Annapolis is acting crazy. IANAL, but if I understand this a person, even an elected person, can be sued personally for violating another person, or persons civil rights. This would not be done to make the plantif wealthy, but would be done souly to impoverish the defendant for damages done in the form of denying rights. And as I read the decision, if for instance SB281 was found to be unconstitutional and a violation of citizen's rights, the possibility of bringing suit against the Govenor, personally becomes an interesting reality. May even be possible to personally sue the legislators who voted for it.
But I ain't no lawyer and could be completely off base
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