ATF form 4 disapproval

• May 24, 2014

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jvegas

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Just got a disapproval from ATF on a Form 4 of a Daniel Defense MK18, which is measured at >29". The reason stated is "Prohibited by State law--Assault Weapon"

 

• May 24, 2014

• #2

Sundazes

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You might want to put this in the other thread.

 

• May 24, 2014

• #3

Wayne1one

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jvegas said:

Just got a disapproval from ATF on a Form 4 of a Daniel Defense MK18, which is measured at >29". The reason stated is "Prohibited by State law--Assault Weapon"

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Yup, not on the handgun roster.....................right?

 

• May 24, 2014

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sundazes said:

You might want to put this in the other thread.

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already on it, but that thread is so long now, I wanted this seen. This was also on a purchase order.

 

• May 24, 2014

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clandestine

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The story is the MSP directed NFA to reject ALL pending devices except Suppressors. Aparently the MSP wants to review the applications. Seems sorta underhanded and backwards.

 

• May 24, 2014

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Sundazes

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jvegas said:

already on it, but that thread is so long now, I wanted this seen. This was also on a purchase order.

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Roger that. I will shut up now…..

 

• May 24, 2014

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clandestine said:

The story is the MSP directed NFA to reject ALL pending devices except Suppressors. Aparently the MSP wants to review the applications. Seems sorta underhanded and backwards.

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so despite current law, MSP wants to review Form 4's to trust? awesome.

 

• May 24, 2014

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sundazes said:

Roger that. I will shut up now…..

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no need to shut up!

 

• May 24, 2014

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ironpony

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Should I carry on and submit a form 1 @ 29.125" or wait?

 

• May 24, 2014

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ironpony said:

Should I carry on and submit a form 1 @ 29.125" or wait?

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seems hit or miss.

 

• May 24, 2014

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clandestine

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I wonder if the MSP is wanting an NOT-DISSAPROVED 77r to be submitted with Form 4's?

 

• May 24, 2014

• #12

swinokur

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Well MSP signed off on mine Sept. 12th saying it's legal.(individual)

Now it's not? Maybe they're treating trusts with no LE signoff differently?

What BS this whole thing is.

 

• May 24, 2014

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clandestine

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swinokur said:

Well MSP signed off on mine Sept. 12th saying it's legal.(individual)

Now it's not? Maybe they're treating trusts with no LE signoff differently?

What BS this whole thing is.

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That was before the whole under 16" SBR has to be on the roster fiasco though.

 

• May 24, 2014

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swinokur

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Well, if it works the way I envision it, wouldn't my FFL submit a 77r to MSP after my approved Form 4 comes back? That repsonsibility should be on the FFL and MSP should it not? Why is BATFE rejecting otherwise legal Form 4's? They're saying >29" is an AW. Clearly it's not.

 

• May 24, 2014

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swinokur said:

Well, if it works the way I envision it, wouldn't my FFL submit a 77r to MSP after my approved Form 4 comes back? That repsonsibility should be on the FFL and MSP should it not? Why is BATFE rejecting otherwise legal Form 4's? They're saying >29" is an AW. Clearly it's not.

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clandestine said:

The story is the MSP directed NFA to reject ALL pending devices except Suppressors. Aparently the MSP wants to review the applications. Seems sorta underhanded and backwards.

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So is MSP trying to regulate full auto transfers via an arbitrary and capricious application of their authority - without a specific law? and now a Catch-22 situation has been created?

 

• May 24, 2014

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how can a firearm legally be both a pistol AND a rifle?

 

• May 24, 2014

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jvegas said:

how can a firearm legally be both a pistol AND a rifle?

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THIS 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

• May 24, 2014

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jvegas said:

how can a firearm legally be both a pistol AND a rifle?

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How can you tax rain?

 

• May 24, 2014

• #19

swinokur

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jvegas said:

how can a firearm legally be both a pistol AND a rifle?

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Because MSP says it is.

It's a pistol by virtue of barrel length and a rifle because it meets the definition of center fire rifle too.

make sense? No.

Welcome to MD

 

• May 24, 2014

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Afdiesel

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Maybe o'Malley is right.... The "majority" of Maryland elected him, it's just his way of saying if you voted for me, you're too incompetent to own guns.