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noddaz · Apr 30, 2020

Nice. And not really far from Annapolis.

tallen702 said:
Old Western Scrounger just dropped the price on their Yugo M48 sporters (only the wood has been modified, metal is uncut and all parts are there) to $199. Shipping to our neck of the woods is $15 IIRC.

That ain't a bad price for a complete Mauser-action rifle.

I need to save my spare change and make a run out there.

budman93 · Apr 30, 2020

noddaz said:
I need to save my spare change and make a run out there.

I could be wrong but I don't think they have a store you can visit.

noddaz · Apr 30, 2020

WHAT?????

budman93 said:
I could be wrong but I don't think they have a store you can visit.

I wonder if I buy online if they will deliver to their parking lot?

noddaz

lazarus · Apr 30, 2020

JTH20 said:
Ebay is your best bet. I picked up a very good one with all the hardware for $100. Just had to fix a minor crack.

So what will fit? The M48 is intermediate, right?

Which means shorter action, but large ring? Vz24 the same?

Trying to get an idea if I can convince my wife to let me buy one what would work for wood, as I would like it in close to original configuration for lumber.

tallen702 · Apr 30, 2020

noddaz said:
I wonder if I buy online if they will deliver to their parking lot?

noddaz

I asked that earlier, here's the response they gave me:

OWS said:
We do not have a retail store, but do offer local pick up. If you do have your C&R, that would make it much easier. Just let us know when you are planning on visiting. We are here M-Thurs, 9am to 5pm :-)

tallen702 · Apr 30, 2020

lazarus said:
So what will fit? The M48 is intermediate, right?

Which means shorter action, but large ring? Vz24 the same?

Trying to get an idea if I can convince my wife to let me buy one what would work for wood, as I would like it in close to original configuration for lumber.

Shorter action. Not sure about the VZ24 as I'm unfamiliar with it, but you can get an OG stock set for a decent price on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/m48-mauser...780951?hash=item5da7a84397:g:huAAAOSws4NemzoM

JTH20 · Apr 30, 2020

lazarus said:
So what will fit? The M48 is intermediate, right?

Which means shorter action, but large ring? Vz24 the same?

Trying to get an idea if I can convince my wife to let me buy one what would work for wood, as I would like it in close to original configuration for lumber.

tallen702 said:
Shorter action. Not sure about the VZ24 as I'm unfamiliar with it, but you can get an OG stock set for a decent price on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/m48-mauser...780951?hash=item5da7a84397:g:huAAAOSws4NemzoM

I believe the VZ24 is a large ring and standard length like a K98, so the wood would not work with an M48.

Keep in mind most of the M48 stock hardware is unique to the rifle and harder to find than K98 hardware. Just check out the price of a barrel band spring! https://www.ebay.com/itm/YUGOSLAVIA...-ORIGINAL-w-MARKINGS-/202947327025?nav=SEARCH

tallen702 · Apr 30, 2020

JTH20 said:
I believe the VZ24 is a large ring and standard length like a K98, so the wood would not work with an M48.

Keep in mind most of the M48 stock hardware is unique to the rifle and harder to find than K98 hardware. Just check out the price of a barrel band spring! https://www.ebay.com/itm/YUGOSLAVIA...-ORIGINAL-w-MARKINGS-/202947327025?nav=SEARCH

Which just goes to show how crazy the C&R market is. Not ten years ago people were talking about how M48s were not much more than a "truck gun" or a decent deer rifle. Now, it's $$$$ for a barrel band spring.

noddaz · May 5, 2020

Thanks!

tallen702 said:
I asked that earlier, here's the response they gave me:

Thank you!

mawkie · May 6, 2020

tallen702 said:
Which just goes to show how crazy the C&R market is. Not ten years ago people were talking about how M48s were not much more than a "truck gun" or a decent deer rifle. Now, it's $$$$ for a barrel band spring.

Live long enough and you'll get to see lots of changes. I'm constantly running to keep pace with escalating prices and trends in the firearm collector world. It's really taken off in the last half decade. Great for sellers, not as much for buyers. Blame hoarding old farts like me who haven't sold off their collections yet.

Jimbob2.0 · May 13, 2020

Classic has Beretta 76's listed as C&R but I don't see them on the bulletin? Price isnt great but its a really nice service weight .22 trainer target gun. Legit C&R?

lazarus · May 13, 2020

Jimbob2.0 said:
Classic has Beretta 76's listed as C&R but I don't see them on the bulletin? Price isnt great but its a really nice service weight .22 trainer target gun. Legit C&R?

No. They aren’t on the list and were made from 1971 on. So none are 50 years old yet.

Jimbob2.0 · May 13, 2020

lazarus said:
No. They aren’t on the list and were made from 1971 on. So none are 50 years old yet.

Thats whats not jiving with me. There are some guns such as P64s that are categorical regardless of date.

Im still an HQL resister but if these were C&R Id order two as you cant go wrong with an extra .22 plinker with cool history

https://www.classicfirearms.com/beretta-model-76-target-pistol-surplus-22-lr-caliber/

tallen702 · May 13, 2020

Jimbob2.0 said:
Thats whats not jiving with me. There are some guns such as P64s that are categorical regardless of date.

CZ 82 and and several others became C&R well before the 50 year mark due to other factors. If the BATFE determines that the appeal of the weapon is derived from it's status as a collector's item, it can be brought in (for the whole serial range) as C&R before the 50 year mark. Another method is if a federally funded museum certifies it as a collection worthy. That's how the CZ82 got added in literally a few years after production ended according to conventional wisdom. Apparently some USAF museum decided to curate one and wrote a certification to the BATFE which opened up the ability to have it. It was hinged on the polygonal rifling that made it unique and thus, a curio. All 1970s and 1980s auto ordinance full auto Thompsons are also C&R and have been for a few years now.

I tried to get the PHP MV-9 certified, but couldn't get my hands on it at the time as it wasn't on the MD roster. The BATFE's Firearms Technology Branch was willing to make a determination if I could provide a sample for them. Given that they were of such a unique design and wartime production during the Serb-Croat wars, it would have been a shoe-in. The NRA museum was willing to advocate for it as well, but alas, the sources dried up before I could get my hands on one.

Jimbob2.0 · May 13, 2020

tallen702 said:
CZ 82 and and several others became C&R well before the 50 year mark due to other factors. If the BATFE determines that the appeal of the weapon is derived from it's status as a collector's item, it can be brought in (for the whole serial range) as C&R before the 50 year mark. Another method is if a federally funded museum certifies it as a collection worthy. That's how the CZ82 got added in literally a few years after production ended according to conventional wisdom. Apparently some USAF museum decided to curate one and wrote a certification to the BATFE which opened up the ability to have it. It was hinged on the polygonal rifling that made it unique and thus, a curio. All 1970s and 1980s auto ordinance full auto Thompsons are also C&R and have been for a few years now.

I tried to get the PHP MV-9 certified, but couldn't get my hands on it at the time as it wasn't on the MD roster. The BATFE's Firearms Technology Branch was willing to make a determination if I could provide a sample for them. Given that they were of such a unique design and wartime production during the Serb-Croat wars, it would have been a shoe-in. The NRA museum was willing to advocate for it as well, but alas, the sources dried up before I could get my hands on one.

C&R PHP MV-9 would be awesome C&R even if through Funbroker.

tallen702 · May 14, 2020

Jimbob2.0 said:
C&R PHP MV-9 would be awesome C&R even if through Funbroker.

Trick is finding them at a reasonable price (and finding parts) The only listing up right now is asking $1k+ for two examples (short and long barrels).

Jimbob2.0 · May 14, 2020

Jimbob2.0 said:
Thats whats not jiving with me. There are some guns such as P64s that are categorical regardless of date.

Im still an HQL resister but if these were C&R Id order two as you cant go wrong with an extra .22 plinker with cool history

https://www.classicfirearms.com/beretta-model-76-target-pistol-surplus-22-lr-caliber/

I still cant figure out how these are C&R? Not on the 2018 bulletin? Anyone have any ideas?

tallen702 · May 14, 2020

Jimbob2.0 said:
I still cant figure out how these are C&R? Not on the 2018 bulletin? Anyone have any ideas?

Whole bunch of folks over on the book of faces have been scratching their heads as well. They're holding off on ordering because they don't want to get caught out like so many people did with the PSLs that Classic sold earlier this year that had the extra axis pin that the BATFE doesn't like.

Jimbob2.0 · May 15, 2020

tallen702 said:
Whole bunch of folks over on the book of faces have been scratching their heads as well. They're holding off on ordering because they don't want to get caught out like so many people did with the PSLs that Classic sold earlier this year that had the extra axis pin that the BATFE doesn't like.

Absolutely and dont trust Classic at all. Shame it would be really awesome to see those as C&R such a sweet target pistol.

frogman68 · May 15, 2020

Looked at the Classic site the 76's are under handguns not C&R email was wrong!!!

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