Liberals looking for guns

Alea Jacta Est · Mar 26, 2020

teratos said:
I have a ton of guns, but very few I'm willing to/can lend out. Handguns are a no go for lending to people. Most of my shotguns are higher grade, so nobody is getting any of those. I have a lot of rifles in big game calibers. The .375 H&H mag or .338 Win Mag is hell on deer, but not a good HD choice. Not to mention, I'm not lending out safari grade Brownings. SBR's....nope. I guess I have a couple .22 bolt guns I could lend people.....

How about your collection of atalatals?

Pinecone · Mar 26, 2020

rico903 said:
Is this something new? several pawn shops used to sell handguns.Baltimores
's Best, A1 and Bel Air Pawn and gun come to mind.

He is wrong.

I have bought several handguns from pawn shops.

Possibly not all pawn shops are also MD licensed handgun dealers. But many are.

jc1240 · Mar 26, 2020

LittleBill said:
I hate that this is going to be my first post on here because I dont want yall to get the idea (too soon) that I'm a heartless prick but I'm not sorry for any of these two legged viruses and may they get everything coming to them. I have absolutely no f%@$s to give them anymore. None. I used to be able to accept ignorance as an excuse for alot of things because ignorance is simply not knowing and that is easily fixed, but willful ignorance is something altogether different and simply inexcusable anymore especially when its applied to something as important as 2A and our safety and the safety of our families. They have absolutely no idea what they are talking about and they dont want to. All they know is all the ignorant morons just like them are screaming for no guns so what do they do, scream right along with them, to their own doom and destruction and they want us to come along for the ride. Well to hell with that. I can almost promise you all that as soon as this event has been put in the history books and they are all fooled into feeling safe again they will go right back to their same BS and crying about people having guns, that the gubment will protect us. About the only way I'll help them is to show them how to hold their gun with the little hole in the end pointed at their eye, line it up real good and push on the trigger.
I'm new to marylandistan and fellas let me tell you, I dint think the shock is ever gonna wear off. This place is about like living on Mars different from West Virginia. It's truly a different world.
Again, Im not a complete a$$hole but all of these people who are now discovering how complex and convoluted it is getting a firearm can kiss my a$$. If any of them come to my house looking for help when it all goes up in flames, and it's going to, they will get nothing from me. Yes, I can be that uncaring and cold and heartless, my mother told me I was once. Out of 6 kids I guess that's saying something.
Honestly though, other than my thoughts on this, I'm generally a real nice guy. I just cant bring myself to extend the olive branch to these people any longer, they're too stupid to be helped and like I've already said, when this is over they're gonna go right back to trying to destroy our rights. They havent had a change of heart, or mind, they were just scared.

I have to agree with you mostly. Feel them out and help if they seem sincere in realizing their mistakes.

TheBert said:
They are only here at this particular point in the great time-line of the universe because they are afraid that marauding bands of thieves will attempt to enter their homes and take their food and TP. Once their food and TP are widely available again they, the liberals, will revert to being what they are, gun grabbing, freedom hating control freaks.

With perhaps few exceptions, I agree. Typical "it's ok for me, but you can't be trusted" mentality. One or 2 might come around. I think of the former MDSP License division captain (sorry, I shamefully forget his name) who was anti at first, but is now a 2A advocate as an example.

rwbow1969 said:
I agree, but tell that to those in the 2a community that continually alienate those who already own guns by acting childish and calling them "Fudds" or "Butters" I mean really, just grow up, most of these couch ridden operators can't even stand up without getting out of breath.

Truth be told, most of these assholes just bitch and moan on the computer hoping for FB likes and waiting for the next "civil war" to start while screaming "Molon Labia" into their laptops with chunks of hot pockets flying out of their yaps .....

An absolute SHIT turnout in Annapolis this year and the reply I hear is "I've done paid my dues" or "Show up for what?" But they have plenty of time to degrade other gun owners and pat each other on the back.

I admire taking the time to bring new gun owners into the 2a fold, I just hope that once they're here they're not treated like shit by the Meal Team Six of the 2a community.

Hell, we don't even treat existing gun owners half decent. We're our own worse enemy.

In addition to the below quote, there is also the difference this year in the Md. Gen. Ass. scum spreading the bills out over days/weeks knowing people have jobs and can't just take off on a whim.

Not_an_outlaw said:
That poor turnout is probably partially due to this board banning those that are most active in organizing, and rewarding those that, for example, support background checks for long gun transfers.

rico903 said:
Balt County Police told my LGS to shutdown there range, worried about suicides. And restricted their show room hours, but did deem them an essential business.

Did they have legal authority to make such a demand? Did the LGS comply?

MaxVO2 · Mar 26, 2020

rico903 said:
Koreans did god until the Nat Guard came in and made them leave, and they said they have it, and then they got looted.

On a more local note, I wasn't in Baltimore for the 68 riots but in 73 I was working for a well known Italian restaurant in Towson and I asked the owner how his dad and friends made out in Little Italy being across the street from the projects. He told me his father and other owners had dozens of guys on the roof tops locked and loaded with rifles and shotguns and that not one hood rat ever crossed that street. Instead they went up to Lombard St and burned Jewish delis and businesses.
Korean business owners from the city were buying shotguns left and right in my LGS the last 2 weeks.They don't F around or hesitate.

*****My neighborhood is full of well to do, educated Koreans. Many have grand parents living with them, and many seem very pro-gun, including the old women. I was walking for exercise a couple of days ago and a Korean family was putting down mulch in their yards and doing typical gardening work. I teach NRA classes, have a CCW, and am always by habit looking for others that may be carrying. One of the older gentlemen that was gardening waved, and I noticed he was printing a bit, and had a belt on that is normally used in IDPA type events (underbelt velcro, overbelt with holsters, mags, etc..) - he didn't have the bulky mag holders but the belt was a give away for me - it's a FAT belt and thick. In addition, one of the sons was clearly doing overwatch while the old timers were gardening. I kind of got the vibe of "Don't start no sh*t, won't be no sh*t" , which is great.

Many of my range friends are Korean or Phillipino and they don't mess around. Same with Sikh people, of which there is a huge temple down the street from me and a whole community - they seem very passive, but I have a feeling they are probably gun owners as well.

Ironically, the only folks that seem unarmed are the typical white liberal educated folks, and liberal Jews. Dunno why. My Grandma was Jewish, survived the holocaust - and hated guns. I've always thought if more folks from my gramma's generation had guns, it would have been a lot harder to haul them off to their deaths. Seems kinda a no-brainer: no guns = hauled off to the camps with almost no fight vs. have guns = not quite so easy to be hauled off to the camps, with a few of the haulers dead trying to haul you off...

Makes no sense.

Alea Jacta Est · Mar 26, 2020

MaxVO2 said:
*****My neighborhood is full of well to do, educated Koreans. Many have grand parents living with them, and many seem very pro-gun, including the old women. I was walking for exercise a couple of days ago and a Korean family was putting down mulch in their yards and doing typical gardening work. I teach NRA classes, have a CCW, and am always by habit looking for others that may be carrying. One of the older gentlemen that was gardening waved, and I noticed he was printing a bit, and had a belt on that is normally used in IDPA type events (underbelt velcro, overbelt with holsters, mags, etc..) - he didn't have the bulky mag holders but the belt was a give away for me - it's a FAT belt and thick. In addition, one of the sons was clearly doing overwatch while the old timers were gardening. I kind of got the vibe of "Don't start no sh*t, won't be no sh*t" , which is great.

Many of my range friends are Korean or Phillipino and they don't mess around. Same with Sikh people, of which there is a huge temple down the street from me and a whole community - they seem very passive, but I have a feeling they are probably gun owners as well.

Ironically, the only folks that seem unarmed are the typical white liberal educated folks, and liberal Jews. Dunno why. My Grandma was Jewish, survived the holocaust - and hated guns. I've always thought if more folks from my gramma's generation had guns, it would have been a lot harder to haul them off to their deaths. Seems kinda a no-brainer: no guns = hauled off to the camps with almost no fight vs. have guns = not quite so easy to be hauled off to the camps, with a few of the haulers dead trying to haul you off...

Makes no sense.

More often than not, being a VICTIM is a choice.

daNattyFatty · Mar 26, 2020

jc1240 said:
Did they have legal authority to make such a demand? Did the LGS comply?

I don’t think they have that authority.

Not saying anyone’s lying, but I’ll place my money on miscommunication/misunderstanding what was heard/requested and then maybe some good ol gun shop lore sprinkled in.

They may have made a request/pleading to do so, but that’s all they can do.

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LittleBill · Mar 26, 2020

Bob A said:
I agree with your position. Some few may actually have their eyes opened, but most will revert.

I'd suggest that breaking your text block into smaller chunks makes it a lot easier to read. I took the liberty to do that, I hope you don't mind.

I dont mind at all. I'm told on every forum I frequent that my posts are hard to read. Apparently English comp was NOT my strongest suit. I get going and it just spews out. Sorry.
But I believe I/we am/are right. I'd bet that less than 1% of these "new gun owners" are going to see the light and come, even in the slightest bit, to our side. I'd bet that within 6 months the used gun market will be flooded with nice new, unfired used guns for half what their retail value is.

clandestine · Mar 26, 2020

So many naive or dishonest posts. I honestly can't tell. Some of you actually believe the crap you are shoveling. Arming the enemy isn't going to make them an ally, it's just arming the enemy.

These people hate everything about me. Oh, but if I help them get a gun they will be my friend? :lol2:

Nope, they will still be the same exact people, but with a gun. Just because THEY have a gun does not mean they think YOU should have a gun, nor does it mean they will fight for 2A rights. As soon as this breezes over they will go back to their same shit. They are like parasites, they screw up states and then move to more free ones to screw them up.

Sheep to the slaughter.

MaxVO2 · Mar 26, 2020

clandestine said:
So many naive or dishonest posts. I honestly can't tell. Some of you actually believe the crap you are shoveling. Arming the enemy isn't going to make them an ally, it's just arming the enemy.

These people hate everything about me. Oh, but if I help them get a gun they will be my friend?

Nope, they will still be the same exact people, but with a gun. Just because THEY have a gun does not mean they think YOU should have a gun, nor does it mean they will fight for 2A rights. As soon as this breezes over they will go back to their same shit. They are like parasites, they screw up states and then move to more free ones to screw them up.

Sheep to the slaughter.

*****Can't say I disagree with any of this.

Pinecone · Mar 26, 2020

MaxVO2 said:
*****My neighborhood is full of well to do, educated Koreans. Many have grand parents living with them, and many seem very pro-gun, including the old women. I was walking for exercise a couple of days ago and a Korean family was putting down mulch in their yards and doing typical gardening work. I teach NRA classes, have a CCW, and am always by habit looking for others that may be carrying. One of the older gentlemen that was gardening waved, and I noticed he was printing a bit, and had a belt on that is normally used in IDPA type events (underbelt velcro, overbelt with holsters, mags, etc..) - he didn't have the bulky mag holders but the belt was a give away for me - it's a FAT belt and thick. In addition, one of the sons was clearly doing overwatch while the old timers were gardening. I kind of got the vibe of "Don't start no sh*t, won't be no sh*t" , which is great.

Many of my range friends are Korean or Phillipino and they don't mess around. Same with Sikh people, of which there is a huge temple down the street from me and a whole community - they seem very passive, but I have a feeling they are probably gun owners as well.

Ironically, the only folks that seem unarmed are the typical white liberal educated folks, and liberal Jews. Dunno why. My Grandma was Jewish, survived the holocaust - and hated guns. I've always thought if more folks from my gramma's generation had guns, it would have been a lot harder to haul them off to their deaths. Seems kinda a no-brainer: no guns = hauled off to the camps with almost no fight vs. have guns = not quite so easy to be hauled off to the camps, with a few of the haulers dead trying to haul you off...

Makes no sense.

Koreans and Philipinos have had a WAR in their country in the fairly recent past. They KNOW what can happen.

Last war in the US was the Civil War.

But I really don't understand the majority of Jewish people. What they went through as a group, but anti gun. :sad20:

Pinecone · Mar 26, 2020

IMO, SOME of those libs who are trying to buy a firearm will come over to our side.

But the majority will decide that it can't happen again, or I have mine, and will go back to their old ways.

But I would assist libs now, in case they will be part of the first group and join us. Heck, if you have access to a range, take them shooting. They may actually find out that it is FUN.

teratos · Mar 26, 2020

Pinecone said:
But I really don't understand the majority of Jewish people. What they went through as a group, but anti gun.

I think it has to do with being so traumatized by seeing what bad people with guns could do, guns are just an instrument of evil in their minds.

clandestine · Mar 26, 2020

MaxVO2 said:
*****Can't say I disagree with any of this.

You and I would be the minority here.

DraKhen99 · Mar 26, 2020

clandestine said:
You and I would be the minority here.

Me too, me too!

"A lack of preparedness on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine."

Now I'm reading about robberies at grocery stores, targeting women and the elderly. No thanks, not gonna be a victim here, folks.

-John

Uncle Duke · Mar 26, 2020

Uninformed/uninitiated/
never exposed? That is one group of people.

Avowed Antis, such as those deciding no guns for you, are all about control.

Avowed Antis deciding no guns for you, AND who arm themselves, is all about control on steroids.

No f#&€ing way I help to facilitate, in any way shape or form, arming those people.

Bob A · Mar 26, 2020

Not_an_outlaw said:
That poor turnout is probably partially due to this board banning those that are most active in organizing, and rewarding those that, for example, support background checks for long gun transfers.

Yes, certainly this ^^^.

Add to that the removal of protest space around Lawyer's Mall, the shrinking of the allotted time to speak, the number of reasonable Democrat legislators who have left office because of the increased level of acrimony, the straight-up nastiness of pols like Attenbeary.

It's being made plain that the GA is not interested in modifying their extreme position, no matter what the veto-proof minority has to say.

It's down to SCOTUS and WWNC.

hillbilly grandpa · Mar 26, 2020

Bob A said:
Yes, certainly this ^^^.

Add to that the removal of protest space around Lawyer's Mall, the shrinking of the allotted time to speak, the number of reasonable Democrat legislators who have left office because of the increased level of acrimony, the straight-up nastiness of pols like Attenbeary.

It's being made plain that the GA is not interested in modifying their extreme position, no matter what the veto-proof minority has to say.

It's down to SCOTUS and WWNC.

Sound tactics dictate that you engage the opponent only in arenas you control.

dblas · Mar 26, 2020

Not_an_outlaw said:
That poor turnout is probably partially due to this board banning those that are most active in organizing, and rewarding those that, for example, support background checks for long gun transfers.

That poor turnout is due to them breaking up the hearing and having them as the bills get lined up instead of holding them all for a same day hearing.

It had nothing to do with banning of "organizers" since there are still plenty of organizers on this board. If anything, there was more information and heads up shared on this board this year than in any of the past years.

MigraineMan · Mar 26, 2020

clandestine said:
So many naive or dishonest posts. I honestly can't tell. Some of you actually believe the crap you are shoveling. Arming the enemy isn't going to make them an ally, it's just arming the enemy.

These people hate everything about me. Oh, but if I help them get a gun they will be my friend?

Nope, they will still be the same exact people, but with a gun. Just because THEY have a gun does not mean they think YOU should have a gun, nor does it mean they will fight for 2A rights. As soon as this breezes over they will go back to their same shit. They are like parasites, they screw up states and then move to more free ones to screw them up.

Sheep to the slaughter.

Huzzah!

Occam · Mar 26, 2020

clandestine said:
These people hate everything about me ... they will still be the same exact people, but with a gun.

This is central to the matter, and has always been the real issue. For a lot of these clowns, it's never been about guns per se. It's about hating people who have an individualist world view, and seeing the gun issue as one piece of low hanging fruit with which to bash, demoralize, and injure us as a cohesive voice against collectivism.

Getting a fraction of a percent of them to inch towards a slightly more libertarian or constitutionalist world view because of their new misadventures while trying to buy a gun in Maryland won't make a dent in the generations-long leftist cultural rot that is the real problem.

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