SB1 (2023) - Criminal Law - Wearing, Carrying, or Transporting Firearms - Restrictions (Gun Safety Act of 2023)

[Biggfoot44]

I've got one friend who is LEO. I asked him about this back when it happenes. He said it's very much like any other union where the leadership is politically disconnected from the membership. They lean left because that's what gets them appointed.

OR .. They ( the union officials ) SOMETIMES publicly lean whichever way gets maxium political leverage to benefit the members . Sometimes sucking up , sometimes being in their face .

But either way , without input from rank & file .

 

[BeoBill]

The thing that mashes my potatoes is how this bill targets permit holders. You know, the people who have background checks beyond the norm, do some of the most strict training (if done right), and are not at all the issue when it comes to crime. No matter how small or large the restrictions in the bill it is just aimed at the wrong people and will do nothing to prevent crime or make it safer.

Yes, I know I'm preaching to the choir, but this cannot be lost in the confusion.

TD

Congratulations! You have penetrated the penultimate secret of this dog's breakfast of a "bill". It was written for the express purpose of manufacturing criminals from the ranks of lawful concealed licensees and avoiding harming violent criminals in any way. Is this requirement written into the Montgomery County Charter?

 

[BeoBill]

You never will when their very own FOP PAC endorsed Wes Moore for governor and Anthony Brown for attorney general. The same political party that created this bill and gave the special exemptions based on occupation.

The FOP's own mission statements seem to be a stark contrast to their actions here in MD.

"I'll oppose those who grant my membership a Special Exemption from the _______ Bill's restrictions." Said no PAC EVER. Why do you think PACs exist but to facilitate the desires of its constituency? Stop being silly.

 

[swinokur]

Exactly. I don't brag about it or throw it in anyone's face, do slam dunks about it. But don't get off on me like I had something to do with it or am glad that "I can and you can't". That's BS. Get pissed at the MGA, not the retired guys.

It’s like the training exemption for honorably discharged vets. I took advantage of it and saved 300 bucks.

Don’t blame me. Blame the douche bags in Annapolis.

By the way, I didn’t volunteer to possibly lay down my life so I could take the exemption.

 

[ICW2019]

"I'll oppose those who grant my membership a Special Exemption from the _______ Bill's restrictions." Said no PAC EVER. Why do you think PACs exist but to facilitate the desires of its constituency? Stop being silly.

Tongue and cheek! Their blatant hypocrisy to the original mission statement should be pointed out and ridiculed.

 

[teratos]

It’s like the trading exemption for honorably discharged vets. I took advantage of it and saved 300 bucks.

Don’t blame me. Blame the douche bags in Annapolis.

By the way, I didn’t volunteer to possibly lay down my life so I could take the exemption.

Take everything you can get. I would.

 

[Doctor_M]

South Carolina has some of the same language for permission before carrying in another person's private dwelling.
Texas expects you not to carry in a establishment that 51% or more of their income is alcohol related.

How the heck would some patron be expected to know that... must you conduct a financial audit before walking into an establishment? Good grief.

 

[Blacksmith101]

How the heck would some patron be expected to know that... must you conduct a financial audit before walking into an establishment? Good grief.

No, Texas has very specific signage requirements in order to forbid carry and if the signs are not posted correctly or the sign itself is not the proper size, font, and wording then the sign has no legal standing and is unenforceable. The 51% must be posted on a proper sign.

 

[Lafayette]

Because you aren't looking at the reasons why. But that's ok, it's a sensitive issue for many people, you included.
Retired cops, etc... Feel you and everyone should have the right to carry. But statements like this make us feel like telling you people to go suck it. Keep the divide alive.
We didn't get into Law Enforcement hoping one day to be able to carry when others can't.
Blame the government.

Not sure where you are getting "make us feel like telling you to suck it." I don't mind you being blunt and honest, and I'm not trying to pick a fight here.

Reasons why? On the surface some might say it's because police face special risks. Underneath? It's bribery, plain and simple and appealing to baser natures of people. Making some people special, reinforcing division.

What I'm saying is that the MGA knows what they are doing. They are buying police complicity with the "I got mine" deal. I want to believe people got into law enforcement to fight for others, not to personally enrich themselves either monetarily or in special privilege. I guess I'm still an idealist somewhere under this hardened and cynical shell, and hoped police would stand up for their fellow citizens and deny special privilege.

And to clarify - I'm not asking retired police to deny special privilege. I'm asking them to fight just as hard for me to have that privilege too.

 

[Some Guy]

No, Texas has very specific signage requirements in order to forbid carry and if the signs are not posted correctly or the sign itself is not the proper size, font, and wording then the sign has no legal standing and is unenforceable. The 51% must be posted on a proper sign.

The Texas 51% sign must also be conspicuously posted. It must be plainly visible at entrances, not obstructed, etc. Another thing I like about Texas is that it's part of the United States, so it's presumptively legal to carry a firearm onto private property unless the owner specifically says you can't by using a prescribed sign.

I think it's ridiculous and unconstitutional that MD will soon prevent people from carrying in places where alcohol is served. Maybe in Maryland there's some supernatural force field that prevents domestic violence victims from being assaulted in restaurant parking lots as they enter and exit such places? Same for medical facilities, live theaters, etc. That's some Yoda shit right there it it's true.

I'm not from Maryland, but I wonder if the people here are considering joining the USA. I haven't seen any movement in the MGA to do this in 2023. Is the legislature considering joining the Union? Will it require a referendum? Or will Maryland remain northernmost province of Venezuela? Or is it the westernmost province of Russia? Or is it part of China? I get confused.

 

[PO2012]

There is no text, history or tradition to support prohibiting the possession of weapons in restaurants that serve alcohol or even while drinking. Intoxication is another story. A law prohibiting being armed while under the influence of alcohol or drugs would probably pass muster.

 

[teratos]

There is no text, history or tradition to support prohibiting the possession of weapons in restaurants that serve alcohol or even while drinking. Intoxication is another story. A law prohibiting being armed while under the influence of alcohol or drugs would probably pass muster.

Agree.

 

[esqappellate]

I'm curious why you feel there is a good chance of overturning this part of the bill/law? Aren't alcohol restrictions fairly common in other shall issue carry states? Have these been challenge before? Have any been overturned?

I find it ridiculous that somone who wants to go to a restaurant for dinner and doesn't drink cannot carry. Of all the idiocy in this bill that particular rule bothers me the most. It will also lead to more people just ignoring that language and carrying inside restaurants -or- it will lead to more guns being stollen out of cars when people feel they need to leave it in their vehicle while eating.

If the the Bill merely banned conduct, e.g., banned the consumption of alcohol while armed, it probably would be unobjectionable. But it is silly to content that all restaurants are sensitive places merely because they may serve alcohol to others. No historical basis for that at all.

 

[Doctor_M]

No, Texas has very specific signage requirements in order to forbid carry and if the signs are not posted correctly or the sign itself is not the proper size, font, and wording then the sign has no legal standing and is unenforceable. The 51% must be posted on a proper sign.

Thanks for that... learned something new.

 

[Muff Hucka]

There are some 28 other states (give or take) that recognize my MD permit through reciprocity. I find it downright embarrassing that none of those states put restrictions on my carry in THEIR state as much as MD puts on me in my own state. So other states trust our State Police to issue permits properly but our own legislators don't?

If you stop and listen, you can hear the carnival music playing in the background.....

 

[teratos]

There are some 28 other states (give or take) that recognize my MD permit through reciprocity.

Really? I don’t think so….

 

[Doctor_M]

There are some 28 other states (give or take) that recognize my MD permit through reciprocity. I find it downright embarrassing that none of those states put restrictions on my carry in THEIR state as much as MD puts on me in my own state. So other states trust our State Police to issue permits properly but our own legislators don't?

If you stop and listen, you can hear the carnival music playing in the background.....

I hope you can't hear carnival music, because we will explicitly be banned from carrying at a carnival.

 

[rambling_one]

There is no text, history or tradition to support prohibiting the possession of weapons in restaurants that serve alcohol or even while drinking. Intoxication is another story. A law prohibiting being armed while under the influence of alcohol or drugs would probably pass muster.

And, I suspect patrons at that time might be punished for being drunk, but not for carrying a pistol.

 

[Some Guy]

Really? I don’t think so….

28 states give or take might be a fair estimate.

Per USA Carry and US Concealed Carry, a surprisingly high number of states recognize a MD wear & carry permit. Some states have restrictions.

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[44man]

28 states give or take might be a fair estimate.

Per USA Carry and US Concealed Carry, a surprisingly high number of states recognize a MD wear & carry permit. Some states have restrictions.

Concealed Carry Permit Reciprocity Maps (Updated April 2024)

Our Concealed Carry Reciprocity Maps are the most up-to-date CCW maps available. View which states accept your concealed carry permits. Great for traveling.

www.usacarry.com

https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/md-gun-laws/

My app says 30 states do there are quite a few that accept md permits