Montgomery County Bill 21-22

[Epiphany]

You somehow both missed the point, and managed to offend yourself in doing so.

It wasn’t a statement about the quality of any candidate or the merits of their platforms, but the political reality of a pro-Trump candidate running in Maryland…

But I supposed in a roundabout way you didn’t miss the point, and your offense is exactly the point… for some reason, there’s a room full of adults who all think that compromise makes you a *****, so the only possible resolution to any disagreement is to run the most extreme candidate you can. I’m too young to understand exactly why/when that change occurred, because I just haven’t been paying attention to politics long enough.

That said, I personally find that life is easier if you accept small victories and look for compromises, instead of stomping your feet. I would be thrilled to vote for a candidate, really any candidate, who understood that, and who wasn’t interested in shitting all over everything - because while there are plenty of problems, there is no need to burn everything down.

As opposed to, say, a straight up out and proud socialist who loathes the Bill of Rights? The party with the wild majority and almost all the state's political money has no problem picking people like that as their idea of the governor we need. Who's insulting who, again?

 

[Sunrise]

Maybe he's waiting on 4CA to release Bianchi. And the 4CA Bianchi panel is waiting on the District Court judge to release his MoCo case decision.

Interesting....

 

[Allen65]

You somehow both missed the point, and managed to offend yourself in doing so.

It wasn’t a statement about the quality of any candidate or the merits of their platforms, but the political reality of a pro-Trump candidate running in Maryland…

But I supposed in a roundabout way you didn’t miss the point, and your offense is exactly the point… for some reason, there’s a room full of adults who all think that compromise makes you a *****, so the only possible resolution to any disagreement is to run the most extreme candidate you can. I’m too young to understand exactly why/when that change occurred, because I just haven’t been paying attention to politics long enough.

That said, I personally find that life is easier if you accept small victories and look for compromises, instead of stomping your feet. I would be thrilled to vote for a candidate, really any candidate, who understood that, and who wasn’t interested in shitting all over everything - because while there are plenty of problems, there is no need to burn everything down.

You've just pointed out the difference between conservatism, I mean real philosophical conservatism, and the current demagogic populism that has stolen the brand name of "conservatism". Conservatism by definition means confidence in long-established traditions and institutions, something in real short supply right now.

I'm also with you on compromise. I'd rather get half of what I want than put my foot down demanding nothing short of 100% and ending up with a big fat zero. The US is a republic, with a representative democracy form of government, which only functions when coalitions are formed. But that doesn't seem to be the majority view anymore, either in the GOP or Democrat Party. Ideological purity is everything.

 

[GTOGUNNER]

Compromise? Tell ya what. Ill come over and flatten all of your tires. Or you give me 500 bucks. But if I were you, compromise with me , give me 250, and I’ll only flatten 2 tires. I’ll flatten the other 2 later no charge.
I don’t negotiate with terrorists.

WWNC.

 

[pcfixer]

MoCo is at what? .5% with carry permits? I think they are getting most of the permits, but it is the most populated county. So its diluted a lot. Carroll is at what, 3%, just a lot fewer people. Not everyone carries all the time. I've only carried a couple of times since this summer as I don't go places often and rarely places I am at all concerned on needing to carry. Yes, I know, sometimes it is the place you are least worried about when you need it the most. But once I start venturing into the bad parts of MoCo, Baltimore, PG, AA, Elkton, Columbia, etc. then I'll worry about it more.

Same thing like I had mentioned earlier. Crime rate is 3 per 100 per year in MoCo. The violent crime rate is more like .3 per 100. So with .5% licensed to carry, you'd got fair odds in a given year someone who is licensed to carry might face a violent crime. But some of those violent crimes are happening when they aren't carrying for whatever reason. In the bathtub maybe. Or it is someone they know. Or they get into a bar fight. With the crime going on, once it hits more like 1-2% carry, I'll be surprised if we aren't hearing of at least a few cases of a lawful carrier...diffusing the crime.

Montgomvery county7th with 5933 no sure on date but total was 114730

 

[Allen65]

Compromise? Tell ya what. Ill come over and flatten all of your tires. Or you give me 500 bucks. But if I were you, compromise with me , give me 250, and I’ll only flatten 2 tires. I’ll flatten the other 2 later no charge.
I don’t negotiate with terrorists.

WWNC.

Not the right analogy and Antis getting slightly less of what they want while we get less than nothing is not remotely what I meant by "compromise".

I start the "compromise count" with the NFA in 1936. At this point, the Antis unilaterally have gained so much since then they owe each of us gun owners a free minigun with tax stamp, 30k rounds of 7.62, an ongoing $20k/year income tax credit for firearms-related purchases and a get out of jail free card for taking out a pedo or senior Chinese Communist Party official, just to get back to even. And that's just at the Federal level. As for MDGA and what they owe each of us to get back to even, well this is a family-friendly forum (mostly), so I'll leave that alone for now.

When we're back to even as stated above, we can talk compromise on future issues. Okay, Everytown, I'm waiting for Fedex to deliver my free minigun.

 

[Bob A]

There's not much left of the cake we've been compromising over since the 1930s, to mention only one of the possible areas of compromise.

There's been a steady stream, if not a firehose full of regulation and legislation that has forced the opinions of the few to become the mandates for the many. It coverss nearly every facet of out existence, and removes most of the valid choices that made us free.

Sadly, it also has a heavy impact on economic matters, as control of choices, taken out of the hands of the public, creates excess costs for the "choices" that the government commands.

You want internal combustion engines? They're going away, by governmental fiat. You want a toilet that works on the first flush? Environmentally unsound, Flush three times instead. You want a car without mandatory airbags, mandatory computer controls, mandatory tire pressure sensors? Forget it; you're not deemed capable of driving safely, you're not allowed to "waste" gasoline, even if you wish to pay the excess costs.

Governments are composed of people who, on the whole, are no smarter than you. Bear in mind, too, that half the population, and half the government, is by definition below average. The difference is that they have the upper hand, and believe that makes them both better than you, and at the same time permitted to make your choices for you.

I don't see that getting any better in the near future; in fact, it seems to be stuck into accelerating toward "worse" at an ever-increasing pace.

The operative question is whether it's better to wait for the inevitable totally destructive crash, or to shove a stick into the spokes and bring it to a halt before it goes so fast that the wreckage will be less than total.

 

[babalou]

Yeah, you know, twenty years ago I encountered people who were convinced of a conspiratorial theory of recent history. Some of what they said seemed reasonable, but on the whole, I tended to view them as slightly delusional.

I find myself today in their position. Much of Maryland's voting public would say the same about me. And yet, I'm pretty certain that I'm correct in my reading of what's going down. The stuff we're being force-fed to believe is far more delusional than anything I heard in the past.

I, too thought the same in a way. I think because it is in the open now, people are now seeing that those who always felt what you described are now not so crazy after all. The big thing, too is the it seems like a coordinated effort throughout the world.

 

[N3YMY]

Montgomvery county7th with 5933 no sure on date but total was 114730

More out of state W&C permit holders than Carrol, but less than Hartford.

That’s saying something!

 

[Blacksmith101]

Montgomvery county7th with 5933 no sure on date but total was 114730

I believe those numbers were from the end of the year 2022 and the MSP presented that chart during the information hearing for SB1. Current HGP number is over 140,000.

 

[Blacksmith101]

Interesting....

Everyone wants someone else to go first to take some of the heat off their own decision.

 

[Bob A]

I believe those numbers were from the end of the year 2022 and the MSP presented that chart during the information hearing for SB1. Current HGP number is over 140,000.

Another 26,000 since Jan 1?

Bend over, Froshie, here it comes again! What a tool that guy was. (Not that his replacement will be any better. But it's pleasant to smack arrogance in the face with reality).

 

[Blacksmith101]

Another 26,000 since Jan 1?

Bend over, Froshie, here it comes again! What a tool that guy was. (Not that his replacement will be any better. But it's pleasant to smack arrogance in the face with reality).

Actually the rate is slowing down some.
When Bruen was decided June 23, 2022 there were roughly 14,000 permits so they issued about 100,000 permits in the 6 months from Bruen to the end of the year or about 16,000 per month.
So far in 2023 they have issued some 26,000 permits in 2 1/2 months or roughly 10,000 per month.

At the current rate there will be a total of about 120,000 permits issued this year which would bring the overall total to roughly 240,000 permits.

If all those permit holders started voting for their permit we could start changing the MGA.

If half those permit holders would join MSI we would have a much stronger voice both in politics and in the courts.

Link to MSI membership:

Join All Membership - Maryland Shall Issue®, Inc.

Maryland Shall Issue® (MSI) is an all-volunteer, non-partisan organization dedicated to the preservation and advancement of gun owners' rights in Maryland. It seeks to educate the community about the right of self-protection, the safe handling of firearms, and the responsibility that goes with...

www.marylandshallissue.org

 

[Occam]

At the current rate there will be a total of about 120,000 permits issued this year which would bring the overall total to roughly 240,000 permits.

I went to the York County PA judicial building today to pick up my renewed PA carry permit. Good for another five years. Couldn't renew in Adams County because they gave up - they were being swamped by new Maryland permit holders and they couldn't keep up. The salty gal running the permit desk in York said over 75% of the permits they're producing are for Maryland residents.

 

[Bob A]

Deputy Hotness?

 

[Abacab]

I went to the York County PA judicial building today to pick up my renewed PA carry permit. Good for another five years. Couldn't renew in Adams County because they gave up - they were being swamped by new Maryland permit holders and they couldn't keep. The salty gal running the permit desk in York said over 75% of the permits they're producing are for Maryland residents.

I renewed in January in Adams and picked up last week. They've stopped accepting applications there?

Edit: just checked their website and yes it seems they've stopped

 

[Occam]

Deputy Hotness?

Civilian admin staff, it seems. Let me see if I can conjure up a sense of things. Turns out you can't take your phone into the building, at all. I had to leave poor Mrs. Occam standing outside on the sidewalk (with another guy's wife, doing the same thing!) holding my phone in 30-50mph cold winds while I took care of things.

SALTY YORK LADY: "You WHAT? She's outside, right now? Give me her cell number so I can send her a text: 'Dear Wife Of Stupid Man who can't read the emails we sent him."

MD DUDE FILLING OUT HIS PAPERWORK ON THE SPOT: "So, I've got my Maryland and Utah permits here..."

SALTY YORK LADY: "Do I LOOK like the sort of person who gives a flying fvck about a Utah permit? Look at me! Do I look like that? Look at me! I'm a Mormon! Really? Is this your way of saying you're as stupid as THIS guy [pointing at me] and you can't read either? Is that it?"

MD DUDE: "Well, uh, I guess not ..."

SALTY YORK LADY: "Jesus F-ing Christ, it's a good thing we're not doing IQ tests here, huh?"

And THEN I got to go back out to see my wife again, which was a chilly experience and not because of the weather. Plus, the closest parking is a five minute walk down a couple of York streets designed to act as wind tunnels. That was fun! I think I'm still married. Will know more in the morning.

But you know what? It cost the same as a half decent pizza and is good for five years (Salty Lady reminded me that I'll be as good as dead if I don't send them updated info when I renew MD again in three years) ... so despite the local flavor at the Sheriff's office, is was pure joy compared to what my own Free State AND my noble county is trying to do to us. So, I recommend York County for a PA permit, if nothing else for the entertainment experience. And, uh, leave your phone in the car.

 

[Bob A]

Aha, you blew your big chance. Deputy H works the York satellite office. Parking is ten feet from the door. She didn't care about my phone, though my request for a selfie of her handing me my permit was denied. Her husband would not approve. That was as close to a comment I've recd from a personable young lady since I was 65.

She was warned about MDS of course, and had been reading her reviews here for some time. Apparently she didn't believe me when I told her I wasn't like those guys.

Better luck five years from now.

On the whole, though, you easily got as much entertainment as I did.

 

[pcfixer]

Another 26,000 since Jan 1?

Bend over, Froshie, here it comes again! What a tool that guy was. (Not that his replacement will be any better. But it's pleasant to smack arrogance in the face with reality).

Seems like Jeff Waldstreicher doesn't get the smack in the face or reality. PI on 21-22E maybe- he'll be in denial then.

 

[RFBfromDE]

I went to the York County PA judicial building today to pick up my renewed PA carry permit. Good for another five years. Couldn't renew in Adams County because they gave up - they were being swamped by new Maryland permit holders and they couldn't keep up. The salty gal running the permit desk in York said over 75% of the permits they're producing are for Maryland residents.

I went to pick mine up at the height of business and they were not busy. Not by civilian retail standards. I suspect there is an issue of will going on there.

I didn't know Don Rickles widow lived in York but I'd like to catch her act!