California Clean Car II standard coming to DE

[leakytire]

It all comes down to should we be free to choose stupid cars or not.

yes, but we should also be free to transport one's self from one place to the another without a high chance of getting killed by an idiot.

 

[RFBfromDE]

Don't get me wrong- I used to race on the dirt tracks back in my misspent youth. I love racing. BUT the highways are set up for horse & buggy. Think about it- on a 2 way road, you pass opposing traffic at high speed maybe 3 feet apart? That's just plain stupid. (also off topic)

So you think electric cars accelerate or are not as fast as fossil fueled cars and travel on special safe roads.

Um, hmmm.

 

[babalou]

When the people realize that the goal of EV mandates is the elimination of 80-90% of all privately owned vehicles, the masses will force the 100% repeal of all EV mandates.
This is entirely about controlling the masses. It has nothing to do the imaginary climate crisis.

correct. you will own nothing and be happy with that

 

[leakytire]

I have no problem with electric powered anything. I'm also not convinced that electric is the only solution for transportation, as our one-party-rule Democrat wannabe dictatorship is trying to impose on Delaware citizens.
Our politically smart (but practically stupid) 'public servants' are anything BUT.

 

[rbird7282]

We already burn fossil fuels MUCH more efficiently than we did just 30 years ago, horse power is way up, much more than needed. The real problem is we all love automotive power- going fast! Our houses are already mostly electric, hard wired to 'the grid'. Vehicles can't be, of course, so portable power storage is needed. This will not win me any friends, but how much do we really need? How fancy, and how heavy of the horseless carraige do we need to go out there and play chicken with other owners of the same? I can think of 6 fatal crashes in the last 2 weeks locally, one of them a 102 year old lady!

How much do we really need? That sounds slightly totalitarian. Do you really want the government deciding instead of having a free market where you can use as much as you want as long as you can afford it?
What if they say you can only drive 50 miles a day? Only heat your house or have you lights in for 6 hours a day? Only have 1 TV instead of 2?

I don’t think the government should be involved at all, they fvck everything up and make everything more expensive.


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[Mark75H]

And, as far as the ban on gas powered cars, that will not have much of effect because it's easy to buy a car from out of state. What are they going to do- stop gas stations from selling gas (and diesel)?

Not if they ban residents from registering cars bought out of state; I bet it's part of the plan. At first people would try leasing or renting with out of state PO boxes, but then DE would prohibit that too.

 

[Clump]

How can Carney direct something this big? Seems like there would need to be legislation.

Of course, they managed all the anti-2A BS and still have a supermajority, so that can happen without too much muss or fuss.

 

[leakytire]

Ok, here's what I'm driving at: Cars of the future- there won't be any to speak of.
Once autonomous vehicles take over, it won't matter how they are powered (probably electric but who knows), and 'people' wont have to (or want to) own one. Think about that!
If our so-called 'leaders' had a brain at all, they would be working towards this end, instead of this petty banning of gasoline vehicles.

 

[Racinready300ex-2]

yes, but we should also be free to transport one's self from one place to the another without a high chance of getting killed by an idiot.

Do you really think the type of car one drives makes them less of a idiot?

Ok, here's what I'm driving at: Cars of the future- there won't be any to speak of.
Once autonomous vehicles take over, it won't matter how they are powered (probably electric but who knows), and 'people' wont have to (or want to) own one. Think about that!
If our so-called 'leaders' had a brain at all, they would be working towards this end, instead of this petty banning of gasoline vehicles.

That's exactly what they're working towards. Gov. can't really do anything about the tech existing it'll just have to catch up. The goal is absolutely don't own cars and be reliant on others for transportation. And when you rely on someone else they get to decide when, where and how you travel. But, if we give up that freedom of travel and ownership the roads will be safer and the environment will be cleaner. And if you don't support those things you'll be labeled as the problem.

 

[Racinready300ex-2]

How much do we really need? That sounds slightly totalitarian. Do you really want the government deciding instead of having a free market where you can use as much as you want as long as you can afford it?
What if they say you can only drive 50 miles a day? Only heat your house or have you lights in for 6 hours a day? Only have 1 TV instead of 2?

I don’t think the government should be involved at all, they fvck everything up and make everything more expensive.


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Or what if they said something like "you don't need a 100 rounds to kill a deer"... Same thing. Others,...those who believe themselves to be smarter than everyone else must decide what we really needs with out ever walking in our shoes. And I think many people want it, they want to be ruled and told how to live because it takes the responsibility off them. That's why this whole idea of freedom is so new and rare.

 

[BartExp]

Regarding offshore wind, I am not for that! Leave the ocean alone I say. It takes fossil fuels to manufacture and install the wind turbines, so what do you accomplish? and the maintenance? not diesel powered? Birds mammals and fish? it's a fools game in my book. Oh, and the turbines are not built in the USA!

Agreed and offshore wind is 3x the cost of land based.

 

[wreckdiver]

If ICE vehicles are banned how will they address air travel and trains? Should Bidet be banned from flying home every weekend?

 

[leakytire]

Or what if they said something like "you don't need a 100 rounds to kill a deer"

you misunderstand me- I'm saying we Americans like to take a 10 lb. hammer to a brass tack because it feels good, and we have the freedom to do so. We like to drive a 700 hp hemi on a 50 mph road because we can. We hate it when big government threatens to take our toys away, as I do. But, again, 'Government' should be looking to the future, not lord over us while pretending to be 'public servants'. Who do they work for?? Why don't they listen??

 

[Racinready300ex-2]

you misunderstand me- I'm saying we Americans like to take a 10 lb. hammer to a brass tack because it feels good, and we have the freedom to do so. We like to drive a 700 hp hemi on a 50 mph road because we can. We hate it when big government threatens to take our toys away, as I do. But, again, 'Government' should be looking to the future, not lord over us while pretending to be 'public servants'. Who do they work for?? Why don't they listen??

People like nice things, not just Americans. The only thing different here is we can afford those things, at least for now. But, most people don't actually drive 700 hp cars. I see way more shit boxes than I do sports cars. We could ban those fancy cars but traffic fatalities wont be effected. Just like banning hi-cap mags doesn't effect violent crime.

 

[leakytire]

Tru dat!
The future of transportation is not having to drive, and rarely losing one's life due to accidents. Taking the human element out of the equation will save (_______) how many lives per day? Also exciting is how enjoyable 'driving' will be. (or sleeping, or ?) No, it's not some kind of government conspiracy, private company's are behind it all.

 

[dannyp]

Regarding offshore wind, I am not for that! Leave the ocean alone I say. It takes fossil fuels to manufacture and install the wind turbines, so what do you accomplish? and the maintenance? not diesel powered? Birds mammals and fish? it's a fools game in my book. Oh, and the turbines are not built in the USA!

speaking of fish ,bring them on ! some great habitat for fish .

 

[dannyp]

Well, I meant in the short term. They wouldn't dare cut off the diesel fuel from the truckers unless they outlaw the trucks. Oops! that's what they are trying to do in Calforny! So, Delaware won't be far behind. But, DE. is such small peanuts in comparison to Californy that I don't see that happening. Our Gov (and his a$$ kissing disciples) have the napoleon complex but, when enough people get fed up we shall vote all of them out of office. The pain level just isn't high enough yet.

people are too stupid to realize that , they are of the
' not my guy , gal " type . everyone's crooked , execpt " my guy " . amazes me to no end .

 

[leakytire]

speaking of fish ,bring them on ! some great habitat for fish .

I am dubious of that- anything the Gov tells you is an upside has twice as many downsides. How many gallons of diesel does it take to install that bird chopper?

 

[dannyp]

Agreed and offshore wind is 3x the cost of land based.

from what i've heard , this is true , the distance from shore is a problem , i heard 1 million dollars a mile for transmission cables , but god forbid someone laying on the beach could see them .

 

[fishgutzy]

Ok, here's what I'm driving at: Cars of the future- there won't be any to speak of.
Once autonomous vehicles take over, it won't matter how they are powered (probably electric but who knows), and 'people' wont have to (or want to) own one. Think about that!
If our so-called 'leaders' had a brain at all, they would be working towards this end, instead of this petty banning of gasoline vehicles.

There will never be autonomous vehicles. They might be sold as such. But in fact they will be gov't controlled. Controlled by a central gov't computer. The beauty of that is that dissenters can be killed if crashes caused by a "computer glitch."